If you could suggest a new leader for each civ

Just because Alfred is the English butler from Batman doesn't mean he should lead the English Civilisation, ;)

Henry the VIII (it is VIII that was the head chopping one aye?) is the ideal leader, he is the most famous monarch from the Tudor legacy. Victoria (the 1st?) is only the second most famous. Although I do believe she was a better ruler of England, better is the sense of not being an egomaniac chopping off all his lovers heads, good old Henry, but who would you rather play, Friendly Elizabeth, or RUTHLESS MEGALOMANIAC KING HENRY THE EIGHTH!!!. I know who has my pick, niether I choose Gordon Brown. So dull he will bore all his enemies into surrender!.

All though some other good historic suggestions have been William The Conqeuor (was he also known as William the bloody, or was that another William entirely.) I do know a little about William The Conqeuor. Atleast, I think I do, my memory is rusty, he was King Of France and lead an invasion of Britain the famous battle being the Battle of Hastings of 1066, where the enemy King of England, (not sure which one... was it a King David?) famously got struck in the eye with an arrow. And after William won the battle he became King of England and France. There my Knowledge of 1066 for you all, let me know if that was correct anyone who actually knows what happend :P.

Another good suggestion is Richard the Lionheart, another name I have heard but I can't remember anything of his back ground :P.

Or we could go back a lot further in the history of England back before it was England and we had the Celtish Tribes, we could play as Boudica. She fought the Viking's or the Romans, I forgot which :P. But it made her name last through history.

Actually I believe William the Conquerer was king of the Normans who were people descended of Vikings who lived in France or more specificly Normandy.
 
@Ceaser, Well, I knew William came from France, that was about it, whether or not he was King of France though, I was just guessing.
So he was King of Normandy at the time?, was that not a part of France? How many Kings does france need. Who knows. I say none. :P

@Altaria

By Alfred, people mean Alfred the Great, King of Wessex (IIRC) and the first person who atleats made an attempt at unifying the tribes before Britain became an Invasion Magnet
I was joking you know, personally though I would prefer Batman's buttler as my Civ leader :P.

1) The other Tudor is ELIZABETH
2) He chopped off TWO of his six wives heads
Ah quite right, Elizabeth, not Victoria, momentary mix up, decaying grey matter, yada yada.
Was it only two beheaded?

2 executed, 2 divorced, 1 died in child birth, 1 survived Henry. Yah okay, only Two. But thats more wifes than most behead. Physcopathic Serial Killers excluded.

Lionheart was one of the worst LEADERS the Country ever had. he visited the country TWICE, both times to collect money for a religious war barely anyone in the Country cared about. And yet he's hailed as a Hero, why he is I will never fathom.
Can't say I knew any of his history, just that his name was famous. Unlike King Harold, nope never heard of him :P.
 
He was a great military commander, remarkably tolerant of other races and cultures compared to his contemporaries, and led his army from the front, proving that though the crusade may not have been important to his citizenry, it was important enough to him to risk his own life constantly.
And the fact he was willing to risk his life for something that was unimportant to his citizenry was a GOOD thing?
And I'm failing to see how he was 'remarkably tolerant of other races and cultures'. He led a CRUSADE. You know, those things where people killed each other because they were of different religions? Really tolerant.

@The other guy who's name I really can't recall, sorry
Sorry, didn't realise you were joking about Alfred... that's the Internet for you.
And, how could you never have heard of Harold Godwinson... He wa sone of the most prominent figures of 1066, one of the most important years in Medieval history, for the English, French and Vikings anyway.
 
And I'm failing to see how he was 'remarkably tolerant of other races and cultures'. He led a CRUSADE.
lol good one.

@The other guy who's name I really can't recall, sorry
Sorry, didn't realise you were joking about Alfred... that's the Internet for you.
And, how could you never have heard of Harold Godwinson... He wa sone of the most prominent figures of 1066, one of the most important years in Medieval history, for the English, French and Vikings anyway.

how dare thee forget my name, its.... what is my name? I forgot.

I don't see how the comment about Batman relating to Civ be concieved as serious :P, I wasn't entirely sure though who people were referring to as Alfred, Now you've said his full title yes I recognise that name.
But no I never heard of Harold, I am right in thinking he got an arrow through the eye during the battle of hastings against William. I believe thats correct. I know all about the battle just couldn't remember who William was fighting, and I was fairly sure William was the victor of the battle of hastings.
 
But no I never heard of Harold, I am right in thinking he got an arrow through the eye during the battle of hastings against William. I believe thats correct. I know all about the battle just couldn't remember who William was fighting, and I was fairly sure William was the victor of the battle of hastings.
Well, yes, William did beat Harold at the Battle of Hastings, after the Saxon Shield Wall was defeated by their lack of disciplines and Harolds Huskarls were defeated by overwhelming force. However the only source we have about Harold being killed by an arrow in the eye is the Bayeax Tapestry. So yeah, Harold is the one widely believed to ahve been killed with an arrow in the eye. He probably wasn't though.
 
(This post assumes that the OP is just referring to CiV, not the entire series)

America: Ronald Reagan

Arabia: Saladin

Aztecs: Itzcoatl

China: Qin Shi Haung

Egypt: Menes

England: King Richard

France: Louis XIV

Germany: Fredrick

Greece: Leonidas

India: Asoka

Iroquois: Logan

Japan: Tokugawa

Ottoman: Ankara (Yes, I know he was after the Ottoman Empire collapsed, but still)

Persia: Cyrus

Rome: Constantine

Russia: Putin!

Siam: Plaek Pibulsonggram? (I can't think of anyone else)

Songhai: ??? (My various world history classes were kind of racist, we never learned about the Bantu civilizations, so yeah)

Babylon: Hammurabi
 
This are my leaders, I'm counting only CiV civs:

America: Lincoln
Greece: Seleucos
Rome: Hadrian
Russia: Peter I
Germany: Maximilian I
France: Louis XIV
England: William the Conqueror
Japan: Meiji
China: Taizong
Siam: don't know much about them :(
Soghai: don't know much about them :(
Persia: Khorsau I
Arabia: Saladin
Egypt:Hatsheput
Ottomans: Mehmed II
Iroquois: Same as Siam and Soghai
Aztec: don't know much about them :(
India:Ashoka
 
???? Ankara is a place not a person. I guess you were trying to say Atatürk.
You know, Turkey occupies the blind spot Americans have for pretty much everything between Greece and China.

Besides that, Reagan, Putin? :rolleyes: How about really HISTORICAL people?
And Songay have nothing to do with the Bantu. The Bantu live in southern Africa. :rolleyes:
 
And the fact he was willing to risk his life for something that was unimportant to his citizenry was a GOOD thing?
And I'm failing to see how he was 'remarkably tolerant of other races and cultures'. He led a CRUSADE. You know, those things where people killed each other because they were of different religions? Really tolerant.
He ordered executions of his own citizens who had led a massacre of Jews in London. He was also extremely tolerant of Muslims living on the land he reconquered.

And to the leaders of the Crusade, it wasn't "where people killed each other because they were of different religions." It was a defense of an ancient ally (the Byzantine Empire) against a foreign aggressor (the Fatimids) and an attempt to reclaim land lost to Christendom. They didn't just decide "hey it's time to go kill brown ppl lulz;" there were very complex economic, political, and religious issues in play that you clearly lack any comprehension of.
 
You know, Turkey occupies the blind spot Americans have for pretty much everything between Greece and China.

Besides that, Reagan, Putin? :rolleyes: How about really HISTORICAL people?
And Songay have nothing to do with the Bantu. The Bantu live in southern Africa. :rolleyes:
Actually, the Bantu and Songhay are related.

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But you're right, in that Songhay is now treated, by some, as an independent language family.
 
America: People have mentioned FDR, JFK, Teddy Roosevelt and Lincoln, who I think are all excellent choices, but I would like to add, just to have something of my own here, Woodrow Wilson. His traits should reflect his character as an intellectual and an idealist, for instance I think he should emphasize building relations, protecting and allying with city-states as well as focus construction on buildings that benefit research perhaps.
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Arabia: I always disagreed with Saladin as a leader for the Arabs in Civ IV, to start with he was a Kurd, he was ruler of a state with its heart in Egypt, and the political and military elites in his empire were mostly Kurds and Turks. I'd possibly have agreed with him as a leader for Egypt though, but I will get back to that. I think Feisal (of the Hashemite dynasty) would make an interesting Arab leader. He was one of the early champions of pan-Arab nationalism and were it not for the British and French cutting up the Middle East between them he could potentially have become the ruler of an Arab state encompassing Iraq, Syria and Arabia. I am also a proponent of, if Civ V is to eventually include new and alternative leaders, the different leaders representing different eras in that nation's history.
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Aztecs: Though Montezuma II is the most famous Aztec emperor among most people who have heard of the Aztec empire, I have never felt like he quite cuts it. He does not seem to have been a very competent leader at all, mostly insecure and controllable. The first Montezuma (though the name is more accurately spelled Motecozuma) was a more capable ruler and I also understand the last emperor Cuahtemoc is remembered quite fondly in Mexico. Which brings me to the thought that perhaps its a bit unfortunate that this civilization is known as 'the Aztec empire' which severly limits the time scope from which one can choose a leader. One would gain a lot more choices by it being the called the Mexican empire (remember the Aztecs called themselves 'Mexica'), though I am given to understand that some might not take that very seriously. One could then have leaders such as Emiliano Zapata (though he never led the country, but neither did Ghandi!) who could offer Aztec/Mexican players the alternative of a leader from an era different from that of Montezuma II.
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China: For China I propose that Kublai Khan would be a good choice for a leader (yes, he was a Mongol, but he ruled over China, and Saladin was a Kurd). Under his rule China, again (though in the guise of a Mongol empire), became a great expansionist power, ruling Tibet, Eastern Turkestan, Korea and mounting two great (though ill-fated) invasions of Japan. IIRC it was also under his rule that paper money first was used.
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Egypt: Keeping in line with my preference for different leaders to represent different eras in history I will jump about 3000 years into the future from Ramesses II and suggest
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he is often regarded as the founder of modern Egypt (though he was by no means an Egyptian nationalist, he was Albanian and was greatly influenced by the British rule in India for his ruling of Egypt, entrusting most important positions to Turks and Albanians whom he felt were more accustomed and able to rule). Under his rule Egypt achieved de-facto independence from the Ottoman Empire and he carried out reforms of Egypt's military and economy, turning the country around.
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England: I strongly agree with those who mentioned Churchill and (someone must have mentioned) Victoria as new English leaders. While I think either of those two are supremely fitting of leading England in a possible (or hypothetical) expansion of Civ V, the fact that Longbowmen are England's UU got me thinking of Agincourt, and Henry V. A very shakespearean and militarily minded Henry V might make for an interesting Civ leader.
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Chose the picture from Kenneth Branagh's Henry V film adaptation, because I was mostly thinking of that

France: I don't really have any obvious new suggestions here, people have already mentioned Louis XIV, and De Gaulle (or if not, he was at least in Civ IV). It would perhaps be benefitial to have a medieval or renaissance era French leader, but I couldn't really think of anyone who's well known enough. I got thinking of Marianne, the French national symbol, though that would be a bit like Uncle Sam leading America (which would have been silly, but completely awesome).

Germany: I'm in somewhat the same situation regarding Germany as with France. I already think Bismarck is perfect, and people have already mentioned Charlemagne and Hitler (though I actually don't think he should be in). One could of course include Frederick of Prussia again though (must also have been mentioned).

Greece: Should really be named Hellenic Empire I think, because Alexander wasn't Greek (though he and the Macedonians largely adopted Hellenic culture) and Greece as a nation has never really been an empire or a powerful unified nation. Here I will break my rule of having leaders from different eras and suggest, as others undoubtedly have, Pericles as an alternative leader for (what I think should be called) the Hellenic Empire.
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India: Seeing as India's UB is a Mughal fort, I quickly came to the conclusion that a natural alternate leader for India would be one of the Mughal rulers. Because of the iconic status of the Taj Mahal I think Shah Jahan (the guy who ordered it built) would be a good choice. As a Mughal he would also represent an interesting counterpart to Ghandi (being the leader of a a dynasty founded on conquest and horseback warriors).
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Iroquouis: Unfortunately I don't know enough about them to make an educated suggestion/wish, something I shall have to remedy.

Japan: It has been mentioned that Japanese do not like their emperors being depicted, which rules out Meji (who by the way was one of the only emperors to have wielded real power in almost a 1000 years). Though I had someone else in mind Kato Takaaki. He was foreign minister of Japan during WWI during which he was greatly influential in the country's entry into the war and it was his policies that enabled Japan to show how a country could gain the most from war while paying as little a price as possible. He's not as iconic as the other leaders, but I think he's an interesting individual, this quote pretty much sums it up; "Of all the world's statesmen in 1914, Katō proved the most adroit at using war for the purposes of policy. Domestically he exploited it to assert the dominance of the Foreign Ministry and of the cabinet in the making of Japan's foreign policy. Internationally he took the opportunity to redefine Japan's relationship with China. In doing so he was not simply outflanking the extremists opposed to him; he was also honouring his own belief that Japan should be a great power like those of Europe."
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Ottomans: Should really be called 'the Turkish empire' (would also fit in with the other civs, as they have more generic names) as that would justify including Atatürk, who is as iconic a leader as can possibly have existed. Though a possible interesting Ottoman leader could be Mahmud II. His rule marked the beginning of the Ottoman attempts to modernize their army, society and government called the Tanzimat (which I believe was mostly halted by the tyrannical Abdulhamid II), he oversaw the destruction of the Janissary corps and the first true modernization of the army.
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Persia: This was one of the first one to have been obvious to me. Shah Abbas I. He made Persia a great empire once more, a great rival of the Ottoman Empire and established trade and treaties with European nations, and he built the new splendid imperial capital, Isfahan.
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Rome: Augustus is just too perfect. Too perfect. His perfectness blots my mind.



I'm getting bored with writing now and I have mostly said what I wanted except that I'd think Ivan the Terrible would be a cool Russian leader.
 
Though a possible interesting Ottoman leader could be Mahmud II. His rule marked the beginning of the Ottoman attempts to modernize their army, society and government called the Tanzimat (which I believe was mostly halted by the tyrannical Abdulhamid II), he oversaw the destruction of the Janissary corps and the first true modernization of the army.
to exemplify his importance i must add he's the sultan made turkish people wear fez.
 
America: Thomas Jefferson
Arab: Saladin
England: Victoria
India: Akbar
Russia: Stalin
Germany: Charlemagne
France: Louis XIV
China: Shi Huang
Japan: Meiji
Siam: Rama V
Songhai: Sonni Ali
Egypt: Thutmose III
Persia: Xerxes
Aztec: Itzcoatl
Iroquios: Ayenwatha
Ottoman: Osman I
Greece: Pericles
Rome: Marcus Aurelius
 
My additional leaders would be (some spelling mistakes

America-FDR, Lincoln, Jefferson
China-K'ang-hsi, Chu Yan-chang, and Mao
Rome-Hadrian, Trajan, Constanstine, Marcus Aurelius ( For the Republic you could do Pompey the Great)
Egypt- Thutmose III, Hatchepsut, Menes
India-Akbar, Asoka, Chrandagupta Mauria
Persia-Cyrus,xerxes
France-Louis XIV, Cardinal Riechulu, and Charles De Gaulle
England-Winston Churchill, Henry VIII, Victoria
Germany-Frederick Barborossa, Frederick the Great, Maximillian
Japan-Tokugawa, Toyotomi
Greece-Pericles, Leonidus
Russia-Peter the Great, Ivan the Terrible, Lenin
Ottoman-Mehmed II, Osman
Arabia-Muhammad
 
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