If you read Wikipedia, you are a paedophile

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One thing I learned from this thread is that few people actually know what pedophilia is.

There's the definition and then a word's use. In use, pedophilia is just a blanket term thrown at a host of socially undesirable or unacceptable actions that involve a minor, be said minor 7 or 17.

Main Entry: pe·do·phil·ia
Pronunciation: \ˌpe-də-ˈfi-lē-ə, ˈpē-\
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin
Date: 1906
: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object
— pe·do·phil·i·ac \-ˈfi-lē-ˌak\ or pe·do·phil·ic \-ˈfi-lik\ adjective
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedophilia

Is someone confused about the definition of "child"?

child (chld)
n. pl. chil·dren (chldrn)
1. A person between birth and puberty.
2.
a. An unborn infant; a fetus.
b. An infant; a baby.
3. One who is childish or immature.
4. A son or daughter; an offspring.
5. A member of a tribe; descendant: children of Abraham.
6.
a. An individual regarded as strongly affected by another or by a specified time, place, or circumstance: a child of nature; a child of the Sixties.
b. A product or result of something specified: "Times Square is a child of the 20th century" Richard F. Shepard.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/child

I suppose some people around here would like to limit the definition of child to only 2a.

Let's try this exercise... if a person is not an adult, they are a ________.

A full grown man who prefers 13 year olds is, in fact, a pedo.
 
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedophilia

Is someone confused about the definition of "child"?


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/child

I suppose some people around here would like to limit the definition to only 2a.

A full grown man who prefers 13 year olds is, in fact, a pedo.

Hey, I'll play the bold-the-part-that-best-fits-my-view game too!

1. A person between birth and puberty.
2.
a. An unborn infant; a fetus.
b. An infant; a baby.
3. One who is childish or immature.
 
I quite like definition 6b tbh.

Oh, and calling someone a paedophile, joking about it, and hoping they die of AIDS fits definition 3 quite nicely, IMO.
 
A full grown man who prefers 13 year olds is, in fact, a pedo.

Probably if that is the sole attention of your desires. I don't think someone who finds older looking 13-17 year old pubescent females attractive in a general "wow-she's-hot" sense is pedo-esque. It's simply nature. Yeah it's creepy and wrong if you take it any further than that or actively seek it out.
 
Hey, I'll play the bold-the-part-that-best-fits-my-view game too!

Hey, I'll play the all-the-listed-definitions-should-be-considered game!

And I will ask again:

If someone is not an adult, they are a ________.

I really do take pity, to some extent, on anyone who thinks a "loli" is hotter than their wife.
 
I'll take 4. for 500 please John.

Meaning were all some sort of effing preverts.

(1 is of course the most sane explanation)
 
Probably if that is the sole attention of your desires. I don't think someone who finds older looking pubescent females attractive in a general "wow-she's-hot" sense is pedo-esque. It's simply nature.

I think thats dependent on how developed the girl in question is. If she physically resembles an 18 yea rold, has breasts etc, then I dont think it nmakes you a paedo. If she looks like a kid, then it might. the fact is, wether you like it or not, is that your biological urges, normal or not, dont recognise legalities.
 
What if she's 18 but looks like she's 13? This is a genuine question, btw - I wanna know what you guys think. IMO, if you fancy her because she looks 13, that makes you at least a little bit perverted. But of course it isn't illegal or anything.
 
What if she's 18 but looks like she's 13?


Like undeveloped? No tits or hips? a kids body? Then you probably have paedophilic inclinnations. The attraction is not to a date on the girls passport, its to her body (a girl you are just looking at)
 
I think thats dependent on how developed the girl in question is. If she physically resembles an 18 yea rold, has breasts etc, then I dont think it nmakes you a paedo. If she looks like a kid, then it might. the fact is,

That is what I meant by: "Older looking 13-17 year old pubescent females."

wether you like it or not, is that your biological urges, normal or not, dont recognise legalities.

Whether you like it or not Ralph it's a lot more than simple legalities. There are moral and ethical considerations in effect.
 
Like undeveloped? No tits or hips? a kids body? Then you probably have paedophilic inclinnations. The attraction is not to a date on the girls passport, its to her body (a girl you are just looking at)
If someone is aiming for 13, do you think they are looking for hips?

That is what I meant by: "Older looking 13-17 year old pubescent females."

Are you telling me that some people like females that look like adults, but are not?

That's absurd. Nobody is like "well, you look like an adult... that's good... but I'm gonna need to see ID proving that you are under 15". Does this strike anyone else as completely and utterly BS?
 
I really do take pity, to some extent, on anyone who thinks a "loli" is hotter than their wife.

And I take pity, to some extent, on anyone so out of touch with reality that they miss obvious sarcasm.
 
Can we please, please separate the issue of whether this is an indecent photograph of a child, from the issue of whether it should be censored on the internet?

I think that the photo indecently depicts a naked, underaged girl in a sexually provocative position. And, while I wouldn't classify it as pornographic myself, I am not surprised in the least that some people think it is child porn. I don't think that the photograph should have been taken, and I think the band and record label should have thought more carefully about putting it on their front cover.

However, I do NOT support the UK Government and ISPs from censoring the wikipedia article, or any other replications of the image on e.g. Amazon or Play.com. I support censoring genuine child pornography websites, and arresting those involved. But Wikipedia is clearly not a child porn website, and the image is provided for genuine educational purposes.

So lets focus on one thing at a time, eh?

I would support censorship of websites and tolerate the downsides, if it were actually feasible to prevent people from accessing child pornography. But it's not, unless you ban and persecute the use of proxies, encrypted IRC/IM connections, anonymity networks, etc - impossible to enforce without removing all privacy during internet communications. That's a price i am not willing to pay, just like i am not ready to allow anyone to read my (snail) mail or wiretap my phone calls.

It would surprise me if there actually were (m)any child porn websites on the open WWW, which could be censored with such crude methods as the OP describes. As it would be trvial to find the server location and monitor traffic to them, they would be very easy to lock down so censorship wouldn't be required. (Unless the country hosting the server allows child porn - does any? Even then, you could monitor connections to the server and use it to identify pedophiles)

I used to run a TOR relay and eventually got curious about the hidden services that are hosted within the network. As i explored, i found, among others, several sites dedicated to child pornography and child pornography being the most popular subject of discussion on the hidden message boards i came across.
Non of these hidden sites can be blocked or locked down easily, even if you try to prevent access to the entire network.
The only way to get them is by social engineering or by examining the server responses for hints on a case by case basis.
This is just anecdotal evidence, of course, but it does show that some pedophiles know how to protect themselves from identification.

So in a nutshell, i view internet censorship as a tool of little value in the persecution of child pornography.
 
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