Immortal Cookbook II: Pericles of Greece

[Araneya]

There is a disadvantage in our position, between the two religious blocks. That, together with AIs calling us to go to war with them will probably create some interesting situations.

 

[carl corey]

Indeed. I took some diplomatic hits in my game as before a religion spread to me so that I could choose a camp both camps made demands to stop trading with someone from the other religion. That didn't endear me to Sury, so part of his intention to declare war must have come from there.

 

[Kaleb]

Thanks for the feedback on my game Abegweit. I think I did my game in a bit of a hurry very late at night, been a really awful week IRL

Glad I came out as well as I did considering I let Sury get that Iron (bah, he built it before he had IW, lucky git) so no Phalanxes for me yet. I also could have handled the barbs better and that seriously slowed some of my dev.

Corey - I was thinking of trying to found Christianity and pursuading Sury to switch to it and then switching back before DoW on him. For some reason I just feel like fighting someone and taking on the hindu block may be too big a bite to chew.

My votes:
Abegweit - 3pts
Overall, just a much better developed empire than mine or any others. Only slight negatives (which I'm sure can easily be rectified with all those cities and workers) is production and military a bit lacking. Also a much better exploration of the map.

ABigCivFan - 2pts
Different type of game here, I would be interested to see how this might end up, aiming for a cultural win??

Jet - 1pt
I like Jet and RRRs game as they've manged to get the GW so no barb issues. But both seem a bit lacking on tech, I wonder what the catch up plan is? I'm giving the last point to Jet though, although it's very marginal. Mainly because Athens is better developed.

 

[KingMorgan]

ABigCivFan 3 points
Abegweit 2 points
Kaleb 1 point

 

[Jet]

Same votes as KingMorgan (ABC, Abegweit, Kaleb)

 

[carl corey]

All the votes are in... and we have a tie! 14 points for ABigCivFan and 14 points for Abegweit with the next save at 8 points.

I'm not a fan of inventing voting rules that we didn't agree upon at the start, but what can I do? I'll give you two alternatives:
1. We wait for RRRaskolnikov to come back and vote to break the tie. That will happen on Tuesday at the earliest.
2. Both saves are declared winners. Each of us plays from the save he rated higher between these two. Which, ironically, makes ABigCivFan play from Abegweit's save, and Abegweit from ABigCivFan's save. (RRRaskolnikov gets to choose from which one of the two he plays.)

 

[DMOC]

I would prefer Abegweit's save because he has more land and techs at the moment (there are other reasons, too, don't have time to list here), but really, both are great. And I'm not really supposed to be part of this I'm just a lurker.

 

[Abegweit]

All the votes are in... and we have a tie! 14 points for ABigCivFan and 14 points for Abegweit with the next save at 8 points.

I'm not a fan of inventing voting rules that we didn't agree upon at the start, but what can I do? I'll give you two alternatives:
1. We wait for RRRaskolnikov to come back and vote to break the tie. That will happen on Tuesday at the earliest.
2. Both saves are declared winners. Each of us plays from the save he rated higher between these two. Which, ironically, makes ABigCivFan play from Abegweit's save, and Abegweit from ABigCivFan's save. (RRRaskolnikov gets to choose from which one of the two he plays.)

I think it would be instructive to play both saves. The approaches were very different and it would be good to see how they play out.

However I would think that it would be more than a little strange to force ABCF and I to play from each others' saves. I far prefer my own and he clearly preferred his. Surely we should be allowed to play the save we preferred instead of the one we were forced to vote for according to the rules. Note that if we were allowed to vote for ourselves, the result would still be a tie. I would have given him two points and he presumably would have given me one.

It's a good challenge actually. Let him play his and let me play mine. We'll see what happens at the next junction. I'm on for it. It would be fun. I still want to play your save too, Carl. It's hard but I don't think it's a lost cause.

 

[ABigCivFan]

It will be more fun if we have 2 saves that people can elect to play from here. Abeg is thinking about developing his capital more and I was thinking about grabbing more land now so lets check in at 600AD and see how things develop from both saves.

I will play out my save until 600AD and post spoiler report in a short while.

 

[Jet]

Let's play from the 2 saves this round and vote on all the resulting saves next round.

 

[carl corey]

Playing from two saves might get a bit repetitive and I'm not sure everyone will have the time... However, I can see playing from the save you voted for as better among the two, with the exception that Abegweit and ABigCivFan play from their own if they want to, and RRRaskolnikov chooses from which he wants to play. If anyone is really interested in playing from both saves, I'm ok with that. Just mention in the end from which save you started for each of your games so that we could have a more meaningful comparison.

Round 2 starts today, Monday, November 10, and ends on Sunday, November 16. We're playing up to 600AD. Good luck to all.

Saves for round 2 can be found grouped here: round 2 start.

 

[Jet]

Not both saves, silly. One or the other.

 

[carl corey]

Let's play from the 2 saves

Not both saves, silly. One or the other.

I agree.

 

[Kaleb]

I'm not going to have time to play from both

I would say as a tie-breaker to go for the save that got the most 1st place votes.

 

[carl corey]

Aaaaaaargh! It seems I'm not being clear. Everyone plays from the save he thought was better between the two. I thought Jet was saying he wanted to play from both so I gave him the option, but it turns out that's not what he wants.

Anyway, look at post 2 in this thread, we have links for the two saves and a list saying which save you'll play for.

I'm disinclined to go for a tiebreak system as I can easily come up with a few that could make either Abegweit's or ABigCivFan's save be chosen.

 

[carl corey]

Re-posted from post#2 in this thread:

Links to the winning saves & reports for round 1:
- ABigCivFan: 4000BC-1480BC and 1480BC-1AD, save at 1AD

- Abegweit: 4000BC-1AD, save at 1AD

For round 2:

- ABigCivFan, Araneya, KingMorgan and Jet play from ABigCivFan's save
- carl corey, Abegweit and Kaleb play from Abegweit's save
- RRRaskolnikov plays from whichever of these two that he chooses

If anyone wants to play from the other save in addition, please indicate in your reports from which saves you started each time.

 

[ABigCivFan]

1AD - 600AD

Spoiler :

225AD: Switched to Buea+OR. Research increased by about 50%.
1 settler enroute to settle the Pig+Corn city on a desert hill. I plan to settle only hill cities near Cathy for defensive purposes. She is alway dangerous even if she is pleased.

Thebes becomes another production city, now I am producing more settlers. Given the high commerce in capital, i could easily afford more cities without slowing down research too much.



250AD: Capital



450AD: Settling 9th city.



450AD: 2nd GS bulbing Education. I dont really need any more GS for a while, now happy caps are high and citizens are working all improved land to grow population. Later I prob will start running scientists again when NE are built somewhere. My research is very high and i will not need to rely on bulbing much.



580AD: 1 Archer hit level 4 unlocking HE. He was hanging around a barb city, the barb archers got weakened by German and Khmer troops and he want in for the kill. A city like Sparta with HE can produce 1 LongBow almost every turn.



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600AD: Techs. I have monoply on Paper/Education. 6 turns from Liberalism. I could trade around Paper/Edu for all other important techs (Engineer/Guilds/Feudal/Machinary/campus/Theo and etc). But given a large empire, UOS is acutally very good to have. could take either PP as free tech or do some trading and try sling Astro.




600AD: Relations. Sury is Friendly, he prob is planning a war against America.
3 Pleased and 2 far away civs causious. No immediate war theat, but Sparta and Thebes will soon begin producing some Longbows for defenses. Also with this kind of tech lead, I could start bribing Sury and Cathy into war preemptively to prevent any chance they DOW me.




600AD: Sparta. Planned to become the HE city, now having 24 base hammers.




600AD: Empire view, 4 more cities planned for settle.




600AD: Capital. Hitting size 20 in 3 turns. Getting the Oxford in about 15 turns, then, this single city will be able to research Astronomy in about ~7 turns.

 

[Kaleb]

Aaaaaaargh! It seems I'm not being clear. Everyone plays from the save he thought was better between the two. I thought Jet was saying he wanted to play from both so I gave him the option, but it turns out that's not what he wants.

Anyway, look at post 2 in this thread, we have links for the two saves and a list saying which save you'll play for.

I'm disinclined to go for a tiebreak system as I can easily come up with a few that could make either Abegweit's or ABigCivFan's save be chosen.

Oops, sorry for getting the wrong end of the stick.

At the end of this round we will still be able to vote for all saves, not just the ones from the 'branch' we have chosen right?

 

[carl corey]

No problem, it was part mock exasperation, since I obviously misunderstood what Jet said too.

And yes, we will all vote on all saves, as if everyone was playing the same game. Hopefully we won't have another tie for the next round!

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Hi guys!

Thanks to Abegweit for the summarry of the saves and his enthousiasm (regarding the "already" won game )... but I feel totaly capable of trashing the good saves posted !
I am afraid of the diplomatic situation in particular...
I don't know from which save I will play yet... both are very good (the same can be said from a lot of saves... cool)...
Good luck to those who haven't played yet...

Cheers,

Raskolnikov