shyuhe
Deity
Played home. I was pleasantly surprised with my results.
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Imperial Trash.
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Domination is definitely possible, space should be quite simple from this point.
50_dollar_bag
Imitation Louis Vuitton
I thought I'd get a bit of an analysis going on the games Gaiur and the guys/gals in the A + team are showing us up a little i think 
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Yeah I saw the discussions on the A+ thread. I (unfortunately) don't really have the time to post detailed thoughts. I just open the saves, make some comparisons and vote (bad Ozbenno 
). I'm going to play my game to the finish (as I assume everyone else is as well) whatever happens, so I get into the SP mindset a bit.
Interesting points though 50db, especially about Environmentalism. Its a civic I never use but with the BtS changes its one I should definately look at. Thanks for taking the time to have a look
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Now when I get my turns done in the two SGs I'm up in, sort out the data for the second round of MLG4 and finish my FFH game I've been playing for the last 2 months I'll put some comments up (yeah right
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). I'm going to play my game to the finish (as I assume everyone else is as well) whatever happens, so I get into the SP mindset a bit.Interesting points though 50db, especially about Environmentalism. Its a civic I never use but with the BtS changes its one I should definately look at. Thanks for taking the time to have a look
. Now when I get my turns done in the two SGs I'm up in, sort out the data for the second round of MLG4 and finish my FFH game I've been playing for the last 2 months I'll put some comments up (yeah right
).shyuhe
Deity
I'm definitely playing through my set. My save is going in a completely different direction from everybody else. I haven't looked at the A+ thread yet but I'm going for domination baby 
I made a mistake in building my NE as it'll realistically only produce maybe one more great person. I should have waited till I could build the national park city that I've been saving. Good analysis of the other saves though $50.
I made a mistake in building my NE as it'll realistically only produce maybe one more great person.
I should have waited till I could build the national park city that I've been saving. Good analysis of the other saves though $50.
I'm definitely playing through my set. My save is going in a completely different direction from everybody else. I haven't looked at the A+ thread yet but I'm going for domination baby
Your game is definately aimed in that direction. It now becomes hard to try and judge the relative merits of each game, as your game is the best suited for a domination win but not necessarily for a space game. Not sure how to handle voting this time.
I made a mistake in building my NE as it'll realistically only produce maybe one more great person.
I did the exact same thing. NE of course should go in National Park city but I forgot about it (still in Vanilla mode). Was major weed from me.
shyuhe
Deity
well, one of the Sumerian cities that I took is in an awesome location on a river. You can watermill about 2/3 of the tiles for a monster production city in state property. Even if you're going space, you still need production I need to look at the other saves - have they all been posted?
I need to look at the other saves - have they all been posted?
r_rolo1
King of myself
No, i'll post mine today ( hopefully )
remconius
Deity
You can send your votes to me again, when all the games are in.
I am noticing people are sticking to their own game. In the A+ thread we see more people playing away, from either being behind or getting their behinds kicked by the AI (again)
As predicted early, different victory conditions is making it hard to compare games. This is unfortunate as the purpose of this succession game is to learn from eachother on emperor level. At the same time seeing a domination game come together is very interesting. Not to mention the fact that everyone is having fun.
Overall I think this is a very fun way to play and learn about the game. I think we should do another one after this, contain it to one thread, and all aim for domination or conquest on emperor level.
I am noticing people are sticking to their own game. In the A+ thread we see more people playing away, from either being behind or getting their behinds kicked by the AI (again)
As predicted early, different victory conditions is making it hard to compare games. This is unfortunate as the purpose of this succession game is to learn from eachother on emperor level. At the same time seeing a domination game come together is very interesting. Not to mention the fact that everyone is having fun.
Overall I think this is a very fun way to play and learn about the game. I think we should do another one after this, contain it to one thread, and all aim for domination or conquest on emperor level.
Shyuhe - that's an impressive invasion you have underway there! Think the resources and land will definitely make it worth it.
I'd love to take a peek at the save, but stuck at work right now.
What's the colony costs looking like currently?
Heh - you're right on the military in my game - paper thin - the AI's have just started getting astronomy. So I was going to build up a reasonable self defense force to keep them away. Build fast now and have several cities capable of the task.
$50 - youch - Zara is really running away in your game. In mine, he's vasalised Brennus, but slightly more balanced with Charlemange - they've been fighting heavily though.
What point are you going to launch the invasion fleets?
Re: Environmentalism.
I've really been getting into environmentalism lately. BTS really added to the health bite at Industrial age. There's lots of 'fixit' buildings available soon -find it tides the issue over until those are built. It's not a problem if I have a huge empire with all the resources. With a smaller one, find it works really well. If I have another GA/Cristo Rendamyjigger after the health buildings are in, I'd probably switch to Free Market.
The bonuses from forest preserves and windmills is real icing on the cake.
Not 100% sure I'm going to make any corps - think I have too few resources to make them payoff.
I'd love to take a peek at the save, but stuck at work right now.
What's the colony costs looking like currently?
Heh - you're right on the military in my game - paper thin - the AI's have just started getting astronomy. So I was going to build up a reasonable self defense force to keep them away. Build fast now and have several cities capable of the task.
$50 - youch - Zara is really running away in your game. In mine, he's vasalised Brennus, but slightly more balanced with Charlemange - they've been fighting heavily though.
What point are you going to launch the invasion fleets?
Re: Environmentalism.
I've really been getting into environmentalism lately. BTS really added to the health bite at Industrial age. There's lots of 'fixit' buildings available soon -find it tides the issue over until those are built. It's not a problem if I have a huge empire with all the resources. With a smaller one, find it works really well. If I have another GA/Cristo Rendamyjigger after the health buildings are in, I'd probably switch to Free Market.
The bonuses from forest preserves and windmills is real icing on the cake.
Not 100% sure I'm going to make any corps - think I have too few resources to make them payoff.
shyuhe
Deity
Colony costs + WW are crippling my empire The only thing keeping the research slider up is the war booty. I get about 200-300 gold per city. However, state property is very close, plus most of Gilgamesh's cities came with intact courthouses so it's not that bad. I think it's around 100 gold but I'm not sure. WW is pushing my culture 20%, and I think colony costs are chewing out another 20%. Once state property hits though, the rest should be smooth sailing. Gilgamesh can be finished off with the troops already over there, and Churchill too. So the homeland can concentrate on buildings for the time being and get the assembly line infra in. Apothecaries are amazing at this point of the game as they cancel out the +2 unhealthy from coal plants with their UB bonus alone.
Regarding the different goals, yes it's unfortunate that it makes saves harder to compare. It looks like I'm the only one gearing up for domination at this point but you can definitely switch it to space race after finishing up the war. Although with my save, you'll have to take out at least two English cities to relieve cultural pressure on the Sumerian cities. At which point you might as well wipe them out. As they say, land is power and power can be converted to any victory condition
@remconius: people are sticking to their own saves in our thread because they're all very viable games that should win on their own. This basically makes it a thread where we're all posting our games and criticizing/pointing out deficiencies in other games each turn set Plus, we haven't had the bad luck that some of the A+ folk have had.
Speaking of which, I will post my comments on the other saves later today.
The only thing keeping the research slider up is the war booty. I get about 200-300 gold per city. However, state property is very close, plus most of Gilgamesh's cities came with intact courthouses so it's not that bad. I think it's around 100 gold but I'm not sure. WW is pushing my culture 20%, and I think colony costs are chewing out another 20%. Once state property hits though, the rest should be smooth sailing. Gilgamesh can be finished off with the troops already over there, and Churchill too. So the homeland can concentrate on buildings for the time being and get the assembly line infra in. Apothecaries are amazing at this point of the game as they cancel out the +2 unhealthy from coal plants with their UB bonus alone.Regarding the different goals, yes it's unfortunate that it makes saves harder to compare. It looks like I'm the only one gearing up for domination at this point but you can definitely switch it to space race after finishing up the war. Although with my save, you'll have to take out at least two English cities to relieve cultural pressure on the Sumerian cities. At which point you might as well wipe them out. As they say, land is power and power can be converted to any victory condition
@remconius: people are sticking to their own saves in our thread because they're all very viable games that should win on their own. This basically makes it a thread where we're all posting our games and criticizing/pointing out deficiencies in other games each turn set
Plus, we haven't had the bad luck that some of the A+ folk have had.Speaking of which, I will post my comments on the other saves later today.
50_dollar_bag
Imitation Louis Vuitton
Regardless of the victory type it's all educational to me.
It's good to people using civic combinations, terrain improvements and city placements that I wouldn't normally use.
Over both threads we have at least three domination attempts that I recall. (myself being one of them) So it'll be good to see how others construct their invasions. My problem is I'm too much of a builder, I always want one more building in my cities before they can start on troops, so I'm going to have a look at Shyuhe's game intently to see what his cities have.
One factor that has a big impact on the course of the game is the AI, especially in an isolated game IMO, about 20-30% of most games were played without any contact being made. That takes away a lot of what a human can do to influence the course a game takes, be it an axe rush, stirring trouble between AIs, and tech trades. Everything relies on the RNG. I think we've seen quite a variety of different outcomes, although one thing is the same in pretty much all games, watch out for Zara.
It's good to people using civic combinations, terrain improvements and city placements that I wouldn't normally use.
Over both threads we have at least three domination attempts that I recall. (myself being one of them) So it'll be good to see how others construct their invasions. My problem is I'm too much of a builder, I always want one more building in my cities before they can start on troops, so I'm going to have a look at Shyuhe's game intently to see what his cities have.
One factor that has a big impact on the course of the game is the AI, especially in an isolated game IMO, about 20-30% of most games were played without any contact being made. That takes away a lot of what a human can do to influence the course a game takes, be it an axe rush, stirring trouble between AIs, and tech trades. Everything relies on the RNG. I think we've seen quite a variety of different outcomes, although one thing is the same in pretty much all games, watch out for Zara.
r_rolo1
King of myself
I'm in a hurry time ( 3 more SG to play in 48 h and one more on hold :suicide: ), so no report until I've some time.... Let's say I played home and that I'm scared.....
shyuhe
Deity
Well I looked at all the saves. They're all in pretty good positions but it looks like the AI development is quite varied in the games. I think the AI in my game is the most advanced (stupid religious block) whereas Ozbenno looks like he has the dumbest AI in his. 50$ has the one outlier situation I think with Brennus being vassalized to HRE instead of Zara like all the other games. I think diplomacy wise, that's probably the easiest to work with (a smaller Zara will make the endgame easier). But in terms of land development, I think most of the games are headed in a good direction and my vote is just based on personal preference of the types of situations I like to play out of
rolo - your's is the only save that I'm a little concerned about... Zara is very powerful in your game and it looks like it may be difficult to keep him in check. Not that you could do much to control what happens elsewhere when you start the game in isolation.
rolo - your's is the only save that I'm a little concerned about... Zara is very powerful in your game and it looks like it may be difficult to keep him in check. Not that you could do much to control what happens elsewhere when you start the game in isolation.
r_rolo1
King of myself
I know that.... but I'm quite confident that I could cope Zara in this situation ( I've done it twice in isolation with worse leaders, but in Monarch.... ). It would require a lot of cold blood and a friendly aproach to Zara ( with the almost certain Dow of Saladin or HRE sooner of later..... ) What I'm not sure is if this is a game that would be of service here
Will check the games today and vote....
50_dollar_bag
Imitation Louis Vuitton
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shyuhe
Deity
caste system is actually a relic of when I was running pacifism for scientists. I wanted a GS really badly for an academy in the capital. I swapped in during a GA but I didn't have a chance to swap out before the GA ended. Although it's going to help the culture battle on the new continent. I didn't want to swap out of caste yet as it would have added an extra turn on to anarchy when I went into nationhood. That's why I pointed out that caste system should be dropped at the next opportunity - hopefully a Mausoleum extended GA.
Uruk and Ur are both amazing cities. Those two cities alone made the war worth it. WW should settled down in another 10 turns or so when Gilgamesh dies. Also, exterminating Gilgamesh allows drafting in the new cities since the Sumerian culture disappears
Uruk and Ur are both amazing cities. Those two cities alone made the war worth it. WW should settled down in another 10 turns or so when Gilgamesh dies. Also, exterminating Gilgamesh allows drafting in the new cities since the Sumerian culture disappears
This game does seem to be moving into the final phases. Think 2-3 more turnsets should see most of the games done?
Think the isolated to astronomy start has been a bit of a shame in retrospect. Kinda pushed us all down a builder route.
After we're done, I think a pangea version of this game setup could be lots of fun?
Think the isolated to astronomy start has been a bit of a shame in retrospect. Kinda pushed us all down a builder route.
After we're done, I think a pangea version of this game setup could be lots of fun?
remconius
Deity
The next turns will consist of either kicking behind and taking over the world, or increasing science and getting the ship launched. Turns from now until then have limited influence on the outcome and intermediate reports will be of less interest...
I propose we play to the end and post our reports?
Or do we need one more turnset before we play to the end?
@Trivial: I was already contemplating starting a new version of this variant, where we all go for domination or conquest. A panagea type map would then be suitable. Personally I am more of a builder, so quite comfortable being isolated. A war filled strategy will be more challenging and educational for me.
I propose we play to the end and post our reports?
Or do we need one more turnset before we play to the end?
@Trivial: I was already contemplating starting a new version of this variant, where we all go for domination or conquest. A panagea type map would then be suitable. Personally I am more of a builder, so quite comfortable being isolated. A war filled strategy will be more challenging and educational for me.
r_rolo1
King of myself
@remconius
Maybe one more intermediate turnset would be nice ( maybe late 1800ishs? )
@ A-Team
I've checked the saves and I must add that the games diverged a lot, mainly because of the diplo situation. From Shyuhe's rampaging campaing on the Northern island to the more peaceful Oz and TriviAl games ( space I presume? A advice: you're running low in the army departement.... You're calling a invasion over you sooner or later ( of course that it will be received by superior firepower ) ) , passing by 50_$ diplo mess ( If I were you I would jump into one of those wars, even if just for fun 
). But besides that, the games are very balanced ( our team looks to be of very homogeneous Civ skills ). As usual, a hard vote.....
Maybe one more intermediate turnset would be nice ( maybe late 1800ishs? )
@ A-Team
I've checked the saves and I must add that the games diverged a lot, mainly because of the diplo situation. From Shyuhe's rampaging campaing on the Northern island to the more peaceful Oz and TriviAl games ( space I presume? A advice: you're running low in the army departement.... You're calling a invasion over you sooner or later ( of course that it will be received by superior firepower
) ) , passing by 50_$ diplo mess ( If I were you I would jump into one of those wars, even if just for fun ). But besides that, the games are very balanced ( our team looks to be of very homogeneous Civ skills ). As usual, a hard vote.....
I'm happy to play until the end, or one more intermediate (another 40/50 turns). Whatever everyone wants.
