Imperium Offtopicum - UN Building

[landlubber]

In support of the Byzantium Crisis Act. Frankly, you're acting ridiculous.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Turkey is barely a first world nation. fine. it is done. then what do i do with the 1 million regular soldiers left over? military training is their lives basicly..

I don't know what you have against Turkey, but they are a first world nation, they are just as advanced as anyone else in their league.

And I won't accept this accepting of the treaty until you stop doing

when did it get that high? i thought their military expenses were like 5%-10%. my economy is slightly larger. by like a trillion or two.

THIS. This is POWERGAMING. How the hell does a country the size of yours, with severe overpopulation, and has barely any resources have an economy larger than the U.S.???????

 

[Mathalamus]

I don't know what you have against Turkey, but they are a first world nation, they are just as advanced as anyone else in their league.

And I won't accept this accepting of the treaty until you stop doing



THIS. This is POWERGAMING. How the hell does a country the size of yours, with severe overpopulation, and has barely any resources have an economy larger than the U.S.???????

fine. ill make it 10 trillion. slightly smaller than the USA but still twice as wealthy as Japan. is there any more demands sir?

(btw, overpopulation isn't that bad of a crisis... turkey has it too)

( if you ahve a problem with a high population the minimum ill settle for is 118,196,473 people. i used wikipedia, and ill have to seriously alter the timeline to make that happen, i most likely would refuse)

 

[sophie]

Alright, Mathalamus. I'm done with this. It's time for some grounding. I took the populations and GDPs of all the countries your nation encompasses. Here are my findings:

Estimated population:
118.208,353
Estimated GDP:
1690.678 Billion USD

Can you please stop saying 10% of your population is in the army?
Also, can we standardize expenses for armies, etc? I.E. if your GDP is x and your population is x, you can feasibly support x troops. I think powergaming will end when things are standardized.

EDIT This doesn't include your current claims.

 

[Mathalamus]

Alright, Mathalamus. I'm done with this. It's time for some grounding. I took the populations and GDPs of all the countries your nation encompasses. Here are my findings:

Estimated population:
118.208,353
Estimated GDP:
1690.678 Billion USD

Can you please stop saying 10% of your population is in the army?
Also, can we standardize expenses for armies, etc? I.E. if your GDP is x and your population is x, you can feasibly support x troops. I think powergaming will end when things are standardized.

EDIT This doesn't include your current claims.

sorry, 1.6 trillion dollars is waaaay too low. that puts us behind Italy. no freaking way.

at 10 trillion dollars the per capital is only 37,735. quite low isn't it? i just checked. yeah it is.

..im calling it 12 trillion. that equals 45,000 per capita. that's good.

 

[Omega124]

sorry, 1.6 trillion dollars is waaaay too low. that puts us behind Italy. no freaking way.

at 10 trillion dollars the per capital is only 37,735. quite low isn't it? i just checked. yeah it is.

..im calling it 12 trillion. that equals 45,000 per capita. that's good.

The Thirteen States claim that Rome is more awesome than Byzantium, and that it should talk down against Italy. Furthermore, without Rome, there would be no Byzantium. So, OSA kindly asks Byzantium to shut up.

 

[sophie]

sorry, 1.6 trillion dollars is waaaay too low. that puts us behind Italy. no freaking way.

at 10 trillion dollars the per capital is only 37,735. quite low isn't it? i just checked. yeah it is.

..im calling it 12 trillion. that equals 45,000 per capita. that's good.

Do the math if you want:

Greece: 341.688
FYROM: 18.837
Albania: 21.864
Bosnia: 30.447
Croatia: 69.357
Slovenia: 59.473
Serbia: 79.798
Bulgaria: 89.002
Turkey: 975.272
Kosovo: 5.000

Money is in billions of USD.
Source: Wikipedia.

My opinion: Do you have any idea how outrageous the difference is between US and #2 country?
Also, most of US's money comes from California, New York, Texas, Illinois, and Florida. Without those states, the US becomes much poorer. (I think it's something like 40% of their GDP)

 

[Mathalamus]

The Thirteen States claim that Rome is more awesome than Byzantium, and that it should talk down against Italy. Furthermore, without Rome, there would be no Byzantium. So, OSA kindly asks Byzantium to shut up.

excuse me your talking to the Eastern roman Empire. we ARE Rome.

the population is 265 million, not the exact same as in real life. sorry but it has to be more than 1.6 trillion. we are more devolped than that, espically turkey.

 

[GenMarshall]

Forgot this, but I propose the Byzantium Crisis Act. Due to their recent powergaming (see other thread), I propose a worldwide embargo on their country until they stop doing this.

I vote a huge YES on this proposal!!

completely unacceptable. Byzantium was designed to be like this, down to the last technology. in order to stop this alleged powergaming id have to weaken myselg to turkeys level. and i am sure you will not accept that even..

Tough patootie! You will serve your embargo sentence!!!

 

[Mathalamus]

I vote a huge YES on this proposal!!



Tough patootie! You will serve your embargo sentence!!!

you missed the last several posts. again. your post is ignored.

 

[GenMarshall]

you missed the last several posts. again. your post is ignored.

I'm sorry, but I did not missed the last several post. Emperor Powergamer!

 

[Mathalamus]

I'm sorry, but I did not missed the last several post. Emperor Powergamer!

so your saying that my new stats are still powergaming? tough. im not sacrificing any more things from that point. Byzantium MUST be strong and independent, not someones vassal or too weak to even defend itself.

the 1 million people that used to be the army are demanding to be part of the army again.

i will have a large reserve group. frankly im surrounded by hostile nations. and everyone seems to be against me. ill have 6 million men in reserves. compare this to north and south koreas reserves of 4 million each.

 

[Perfection]

I back your claim to Edina, Minnesota then. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't Edina, Liberia or Edina, Ghana as both of those places are part of my empire, you can't have Bermuda because it's strategically important for my empire here's a map to show why.View attachment 246593

Oh, I didn't see that you claimed it already.

Bermuda woulda been a convenient beach hang out for Pope Perfection, but I suppose I could just take Anguilla instead.

 

[GenMarshall]

Byzantium MUST be strong and independent, not someones vassal or too weak to even defend itself.

But not an overbearing powergaming bully.

i will have a large reserve group. frankly im surrounded by hostile nations. and everyone seems to be against me.

Surrounded by hostile nations and people are against you, gee I wonder why?

 

[Mad Man]

Oh, I didn't see that you claimed it already.

Bermuda woulda been a convenient beach hang out for Pope Perfection, but I suppose I could just take Anguilla instead.

Sorry, some new guy just claimed it. Samoa isn't taken I believe

 

[choxorn]

All right, I can accept that you're using an alternate time line and have bigger GDP's and population than the countries in the real world. We're not doing this exactly realistic anyway. What I can't accept is you pulling crap out of your ass, having an army more than double the size of mine when I have 10 times more people than you do, making that army way more advanced than feasible (I have a big army, but it's not the best-equipped army in the world, as opposed to you having everything), having an economy bigger than you can reasonably support, and pretending you can be completely self-sustainable and ignore everyone else. Stop powergaming, and stop making the Byzantines into a nation-sized Mary Sue.

 

[Mathalamus]

if they simply accepted the fact that my nation is designed the way it was, there wouldent be any problem but nooo you all have issues with a strong military oriented Byzantium... maybe i shoudl quit this game, people are too restrictive.

my nation right now is the weakest it can get without sacrificing anything important. accept it.

All right, I can accept that you're using an alternate time line and have bigger GDP's and population than the countries in the real world. We're not doing this exactly realistic anyway. What I can't accept is you pulling crap out of your ass, having an army more than double the size of mine when I have 10 times more people than you do, making that army way more advanced than feasible (I have a big army, but it's not the best-equipped army in the world, as opposed to you having everything), having an economy bigger than you can reasonably support, and pretending you can be completely self-sustainable and ignore everyone else. Stop powergaming, and stop making the Byzantines into a nation-sized Mary Sue.

Byzantium wasn't designed for this world. seriously. my army size is 2 million with 6 million reservists, my economy is a mere 10 trillion GDP and i added a weakness for good measure. we lack the industry for a prolonged warfare. im basically the Germany of the modern world, strong has heck, but relies on speed.

 

[GenMarshall]

Congratulations Choxorn, your post has been added to my book of quotes .

 

[Mad Man]

if they simply accepted the fact that my nation is designed the way it was, there wouldn't be any problem but nooo you all have issues with a strong military oriented Byzantium... maybe i should quit this game, people are too restrictive.

my nation right now is the weakest it can get without sacrificing anything important. accept it.

If you do I claim Sicily

 

[Joecoolyo]

so your saying that my new stats are still powergaming? tough. im not sacrificing any more things from that point. Byzantium MUST be strong and independent, not someones vassal or too weak to even defend itself.

the 1 million people that used to be the army are demanding to be part of the army again.

i will have a large reserve group. frankly im surrounded by hostile nations. and everyone seems to be against me. ill have 6 million men in reserves. compare this to north and south koreas reserves of 4 million each.

This is why everyone is hostile to you.

All right, I can accept that you're using an alternate time line and have bigger GDP's and population than the countries in the real world. We're not doing this exactly realistic anyway. What I can't accept is you pulling crap out of your ass, having an army more than double the size of mine when I have 10 times more people than you do, making that army way more advanced than feasible (I have a big army, but it's not the best-equipped army in the world, as opposed to you having everything), having an economy bigger than you can reasonably support, and pretending you can be completely self-sustainable and ignore everyone else. Stop powergaming, and stop making the Byzantines into a nation-sized Mary Sue.

If you reduce the powergaming, then we will stop this and we can actually play the game. If you refuse, we'll move onto something more drastic.