Wolfe Tone
Which Way Did He Go?
Equip every man, woman and child with flame throwers. I think we could put up a bit of a fight then.
This reminds me of an episode of McGyver.
This reminds me of an episode of McGyver.
In a war between humans and ants , who would win ?
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SeleucusNicator
Diadoch
It really depends on the species of ant in question.
Even the almighty USA are unable to stop the fire ants attack, dont believe me, read it.
Quote,
Beginning in the late 1950s, when the federal government first declared war on fire ants, stating it would attempt to wipe out S. invicta once and for all. World War II-era bombers dusted millions of acres in the South with the highly poisonous pesticides dieldrin and heptachlor. Some fire ants died, but so did birds, fish, raccoons, opossums, dogs and cattle. The bird population declined over 85% in Texas and Louisiana. When the program was finally halted, the government had spent $70 million, all in vain. Before the campaign, S. invicta had only infested 90 million acres; five years later, they had spread to 126 million acres! In 1958, the Federal Fire Ant Quarantine was implemented try to limit the spread of fire ants from quarantined areas. Hay, sod, plants and used soil moving equipment must be inspected and/or treated before being moved out of the quarantine area. USDA, APHIS and PPQ mandate plants must be pest free but do not dictate treatment strategies - Flood or spray with diluted enzyme cleaner or dust with talcum powder.
Frustrated but undaunted, the feds spent another $200 million in the 1960s for a new war (poison) effort, with similar dismal results. A survey conducted in 1981 showed about 1 million households were using insecticide poisons and other controls including gasoline trying to eradicate fire ants (Headley 1982). Today there are 157 chemical (poison) formulations registered for the control of fire ants - but none of these volatile, synthetic pesticide poisons has ever stopped their spread. Today the fire ant epidemic infestation count is over 300 million acres in the U. S. and Puerto Rico - and the number is growing! At the time of this writing fire ants were found in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Arizona, New Mexico, Mississippi, California, Louisiana, Arkansas, Texas and Oklahoma.
Link:http://www.safe2use.com/pests/fireants/fireants1.htm
So lets say that ants share some genetics with a african man eater ants as well as cold resisting ants, then you have the perfect army.
Quote,
Beginning in the late 1950s, when the federal government first declared war on fire ants, stating it would attempt to wipe out S. invicta once and for all. World War II-era bombers dusted millions of acres in the South with the highly poisonous pesticides dieldrin and heptachlor. Some fire ants died, but so did birds, fish, raccoons, opossums, dogs and cattle. The bird population declined over 85% in Texas and Louisiana. When the program was finally halted, the government had spent $70 million, all in vain. Before the campaign, S. invicta had only infested 90 million acres; five years later, they had spread to 126 million acres! In 1958, the Federal Fire Ant Quarantine was implemented try to limit the spread of fire ants from quarantined areas. Hay, sod, plants and used soil moving equipment must be inspected and/or treated before being moved out of the quarantine area. USDA, APHIS and PPQ mandate plants must be pest free but do not dictate treatment strategies - Flood or spray with diluted enzyme cleaner or dust with talcum powder.
Frustrated but undaunted, the feds spent another $200 million in the 1960s for a new war (poison) effort, with similar dismal results. A survey conducted in 1981 showed about 1 million households were using insecticide poisons and other controls including gasoline trying to eradicate fire ants (Headley 1982). Today there are 157 chemical (poison) formulations registered for the control of fire ants - but none of these volatile, synthetic pesticide poisons has ever stopped their spread. Today the fire ant epidemic infestation count is over 300 million acres in the U. S. and Puerto Rico - and the number is growing! At the time of this writing fire ants were found in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Arizona, New Mexico, Mississippi, California, Louisiana, Arkansas, Texas and Oklahoma.
Link:http://www.safe2use.com/pests/fireants/fireants1.htm
So lets say that ants share some genetics with a african man eater ants as well as cold resisting ants, then you have the perfect army.
insurgent said:
I don't think the human race has the mental capacity to orchestrate an organized coordinated defense against the ants, either, so that part is a draw.
Does anyone have any estimate of how many trillions of ants there are on Earth? An attack like that would suck in very unusual but very limited ways, but humanity has individual superiority and technology on our side.
"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Riesstiu IV
Deity
You can easily kill off a fire ant colony with boiling water. I live in Texas and that's how we keep them away from our garden and front lawn. I imagine that fire ants are a bigger problem for farmers since they have so much land to keep up with.
IglooDude said:
I just look at my previous link, i got this for the fire ants in south USA. quote,
There can be 35 million ants per acre that are constantly foraging and will eat anything that sits still for less than a minute - they will find it, kill it if they can, and then try to eat it.
I ll do more search. lol it is funny.
Hey, i got it, quote,
Posted on October 12, 1999 9:25 am, in News Byproducts
Hamburg, Germany (NBp) - The very same day that it was announced that the world human population has exceeded 6 billion, the World Ant Organization (WAO) announced that the ant population has swelled to over 1 quadrillion (1 million billion, a number so staggeringly huge that we won't even bother to come up with an analogy to create perspective).
Oups edit link:http://www.byproducts.com/art/1999/10/939612357/
Edit2; another quote from the same link,
The WAO estimates that there are more than 1 billion ants born every minute.At this rate of population growth, there will be no more space for ants on this planet sometime in the year 4321.
Posted on October 12, 1999 9:25 am, in News Byproducts
Hamburg, Germany (NBp) - The very same day that it was announced that the world human population has exceeded 6 billion, the World Ant Organization (WAO) announced that the ant population has swelled to over 1 quadrillion (1 million billion, a number so staggeringly huge that we won't even bother to come up with an analogy to create perspective).
Oups edit link:http://www.byproducts.com/art/1999/10/939612357/
Edit2; another quote from the same link,
The WAO estimates that there are more than 1 billion ants born every minute.At this rate of population growth, there will be no more space for ants on this planet sometime in the year 4321.
Tassadar said:
One wonders if the fire ants have thought about teaming up with the killer bees. Or... perhaps the CIA could manage to set the two factions against each other?
Tassadar said:
So there are roughly two hundred thousand ants per person on the planet. I still think technology will overcome numbers.
Riesstiu IV said:
We have alot of fire ants in our area and they are extra mean
. Last Sunday while golfing I got bit on the pinky finger by one
andit stung severely. I don't know how it got on me but I had just emerged from
the woods from yet ANOTHER shot
. They are also colonies in my yard many times. They are always after my
out-door cat's food
. After I put 'fire ant killer' on them theyusually go away or rebuild about 10 yards away from the spot. Continual
ATTENTION will eventually drive them away for awhile
. I have nevertried boiling water but I will soon
- Thanks for the info.Riesstiu IV
Deity
Boiling water usually kills the queen and 99% of the colony's ants but the drawback is that it can damage plants surrounding the colony. Afterwards you'll see a about 10 survivers hauling off hundreds of dead ants.
CrazyScientist
Those crazy scientists...
Ants are so very prolific that they have to have a very significant role in every ecosystem. I submit that it would be impossible for us to destroy the entire world's population of ants without destroying ourselves in the process.
CrazyScientist said:
1.- i agree
2.- i agree
And i will sneak in a quote from a closed thread,
Most ants build some sort of nest under and above the ground, in trees and houses where they live and bring their food to. They are generally omnivorous, but some need special food. You may find agricultural or pastoral habits. Fungus-growing ants cut leaves and bring them home to their nest to fertilize the fungus gardens they build. This kind of fungus can only be found with the leafcutter ants. The Harvester Ants frequently visit grass fields to harvest and store the grass seeds. Specialized workers crack the seeds for the other ants to eat. Many ants eat the sweet fluid excreted by aphids. Some species keep and protect them - sometimes even in their own nests. Honeypot ants feed certain workers used as living containers with enormous quantities of honeydew. Thus their bodies become so big that they cannot move any more. The nests of the army and driver ants are built out of the clustered bodies of millions of workers hanging down from a low branch or log. In this cluster the queen and brood are enclosed. After this nesting phase, the nomadic phase starts. Then the whole colony moves with the queen and brood protected by the huge soldiers who kill everything that comes into their way. In an area where the army or driver ants passed through you will not find any living insect left. Even young birds that are unable to fly, lizards and other small animals are killed if they cannot get away. Some ants are temporary or permanent parasites in colonies of other ant species. After forays against other ants Amazon Ants bring back unconsumed brood to serve as slaves as soon as they have matured.
This was from nature's link, look at this closed thread:http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96483
Syterion
Voodoo Economist
This thread makes me think-What if the government decides to train species of ants for their purposes? Now that's real biological warfare.
If they're like the ants from the story Lenigen vs. the ants, then we would lose.
Anyway, I believe the ants will win. Most of you talk about using pesticide on them, but that would contaminate the air and soil, and not help people in a different manor.
EDIT: I meant not help people.
Anyway, I believe the ants will win. Most of you talk about using pesticide on them, but that would contaminate the air and soil, and not help people in a different manor.
EDIT: I meant not help people.
Homie
Anti-Lefty
Even if we sacrified our soil and air by contaminating it with pestisides, they would still be so numerous that we wouldn't stand a chance, regardless of our precious technolgy. Numbers outweigh technology. If you have a 100 horsemen, will you not be able to beat a Mech Inf?
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
Halcyon said:
They had WMD related activitie programs.
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