I notice you didn't answer my question...
Inevitable gun control argument thread....
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I notice you didn't answer my question...
And if you feel this way why do you think that more students (who lack the training that cops do) = more security?
OH SNAP!
btw, any comment on my longer, earlier post?
useless
Social Justice Rogue
why, american law allows civillians to carry fire arms never ceases to amaze me..
De Lorimier
North American Scum
Come on Igloo! You're smart enough to know what I meant. I think there's world of difference between more trained forces like our police departments and regular folks carrying concealed weapons everywhere they go. If you want to talk about a stronger police presence on campus, than it's another story. I can't be convince that my next door neighbor who likes to shoot at targets once a month on weekend can defend the society that I live in from psycho merely because he owns a death distributor himself.
skadistic
Caomhanach
Johnny on the spot
Can a cop 4 miles away protect me from a person 4 yards away? Do I stand a better chance of fighting for my self and shooting back or just laying down and dieing?
Can a cop 4 miles away protect me from a person 4 yards away? Do I stand a better chance of fighting for my self and shooting back or just laying down and dieing?
scy12
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If guns are illegal and the police does try to search and find Guns then it is extremely harder for Psycho A to think about getting a gun , to get a gun. It is also harder for some criminals.
All humans are potential psychos so having a gun is just an accident waiting to happen.
This is one part of the argument.
All humans are potential psychos so having a gun is just an accident waiting to happen.
This is one part of the argument.
aaglo
Furioso!
Since we can pretty safely say:
Less police = less security
Then according to the math
More police = more security.
Simple, eh
Bozo Erectus
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woops, wrong thread!
Che Guava
The Juicy Revolutionary
An honest question from a gun control skeptic: Are all guns equal in battle? What I mean is, if you carry a handgun with you for protection, and someone hauls out an assault rifle, is there much chance for you? (and yes of cource, more chance than if you had nothing, but that's not my point!)
My point is, does arming the populace end up in a game of upping-the-ante just so everyone is safe, the same way that you can't drive a compact car on most highways now because of enourmous SUVs that keep thier drivers safe, but makes smaller cars less safe?
WHy or why not?
My point is, does arming the populace end up in a game of upping-the-ante just so everyone is safe, the same way that you can't drive a compact car on most highways now because of enourmous SUVs that keep thier drivers safe, but makes smaller cars less safe?
WHy or why not?
Little Raven
On Walkabout
Because any right worth having is worth defending in the marketplace of ideas. After all, if you don't defend it, it won't last.
And history suggests that in this country, defending rights with words is much more effective than defending them with guns. When it comes to guns, the Feds win, every time.
ArneHD
Just a little bit mad
I think that where the less gun control argument collapses, is where it assumes that people act in a rational manner.
Had this been the case, guns would not have been needed to begin with.
Had this been the case, guns would not have been needed to begin with.
Bozo Erectus
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An anti gun person sees a shooting and thinks 'Guns are bad, lets get rid of them'. A pro gun person sees a shooting and thinks, 'We need more guns.' And never the twain shall meet. Not even on Twack Twoo.
skadistic
Caomhanach
A bullet kills regardless of what it comes out of. The "asault rifle"* is actualy less deadly then a hunting rifle with its larger caliber. I carry a .45 caliber hand gun my effective killing range is shorter but it will do more damage at 30 feet.
* Asault rifle is a BS term used to denote scary looking long guns. They are n ot machine guns that fire full auto.
Che Guava
The Juicy Revolutionary
I remember this coming up before. My appologies!
More honest questions:
But on a related note, are citizens in the US allowed to own fully automatic-firing weapons? If not, what is the rationale between banning them and not other 'scary looking' guns?
ok to change it around a bit, is a handgun much use against a hunting rifle or shot gun at a distance of over 30 feet? Is the only good defense against a rifle another one?
Pokurcz
Emperor
As everyone knows people in Canada have approximately as much access to guns as Americans, but they do not go nuts as often and kill people.
For some reason Americans have a tendency to grab a gun and shoot people, apparently a lot of them are mentally ill.
Ergo:The illness is probably caused by lack of free medicare.
On a bit more serious note:
If unstable/criminal people had less access to guns, people would not need to carry guns for protection.
A solution would be stricter control so that these "bad" people find it more difficult to acquire guns.
The way to do that would seemingly be to remove all guns, cause American society has shown itself not to be able to handle such a great responsibility.
For some reason Americans have a tendency to grab a gun and shoot people, apparently a lot of them are mentally ill.
Ergo:The illness is probably caused by lack of free medicare.
On a bit more serious note:
If unstable/criminal people had less access to guns, people would not need to carry guns for protection.
A solution would be stricter control so that these "bad" people find it more difficult to acquire guns.
The way to do that would seemingly be to remove all guns, cause American society has shown itself not to be able to handle such a great responsibility.
Che Guava
The Juicy Revolutionary
I have to take issue with this statement. I think that it is decidely more difficult to get a gun, legally or otherwise, in Canada rather than the united states. I know, for example, that in many states in the US private gun owners can sell thier wares unrestricted at gun shows, swap meets, etc, whereas you cannot do such things in the great white north...
Gladi
The ignored thread killer
skadistic
Caomhanach
With proper licence yes you can. You can with the right papers own a .50 caliber full auto machine gun like the ones mounted ontop of military vehicals.
The only good defence is a bullet proof vest. But at 100 feet a high power rifle with straight sites will blow your head off. But lets say he misses and you know where the shooter is. With a hand gun you can lay down cover fire, you may even get a hit in. With a rifle you could shot back with more presicine. Most shotings are done with hand guns. So with a shooter walking down a hall I have as much of a change as he does. The point is I have a chance. Unarmed I have no chance at all.
