Infinite number of universes

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Does anyone know the theory behind this? It's something about this universe that we're experiencing being one unique from an infinite number of other possible universes that exist parallel to this one. Correct? What I wonder is if the laws of nature is presumed to be the same as in this one.
 
Not really a theory, because it is impossible to prove or disprove.

I think it goes that other universes could exist but with different values for fundamental constants from physics and maybe different laws of physics too. Our universe has nice enough values for the constants and provided a good environment for us to evolve into something able to postulate such things.

There's also the quantum multiple universe thing - where any time something is observed or measured the universe splits into separate universes where each universe has different outcomes for the quantum event.
 
There is an old (2005) Nova special on this (Nova is a PBS science show) called "the Elegant Universe" which is kind of a "string theory for dummies" documentary. Which is perfect for the science layman like myself. Maybe out of date by now. Although I think in string theory they have a limited number of universe, don't know.

I got the sense from the show that string theory is controversial since many scientists consider it philosophy as it is not subject to observation or testing.
 
Well, if our 'normal' universe has a flat topology, and is infinite in size, then you run into an interesting statistical exercise. There're only so many ways in which matter can arrange, and so eventually you'll get localised rearrangement of matter to the point where it has a twin elsewhere. IF you want the matter to be within its own light bubble, then these identical rearrangements would be rare, but possible. These "universes" would have the same rules as ours, obviously.

Many of the advanced physics theories posit infinite universes, but these universes will have different rules of physics (as we perceive them). However, the meta-rules of these universes would be the same meta-rules as ours. (By analogy, different books can have vastly different stories, but all will use the same rules of english. BUT, even books in different languages have one common meta-rule of language production).

I think it's pretty interesting that even divergent theories can end up with infinite universes. They start with the rules we commonly know (Relativity, Quantum Mechanics), and extrapolate to but these rules sets together. I lean towards the idea of an infinite RBU ('really big universe').

The History Channel has a series on astrophysics. Here's a relevant episode.


Link to video.
 
If other universes had different physics, how would they exist? I'm under the impression our universe only exists because of certain laws of physics. And one minor deviation would cause the entire universe to collapse.
 
If other universes had different physics, how would they exist? I'm under the impression our universe only exists because of certain laws of physics. And one minor deviation would cause the entire universe to collapse.

It's quite possible that some day, we'll discover that none of the fundamentals of the universe were ever free to vary, but for now, there's a number of constants that, as far as I understand physics, didn't *have* to be their value.
 
Does anyone know the theory behind this? It's something about this universe that we're experiencing being one unique from an infinite number of other possible universes that exist parallel to this one. Correct? What I wonder is if the laws of nature is presumed to be the same as in this one.
I've got it all figured out.

That "third" dimension called "height" is simply a direction that's perpendicular to all the other dimensions you know of (length and width). Surprisingly, time is the same way. It's a fourth dimension (i.e. a fourth direction) that's perpendicular to length, width, and height. The only way time is different is, we can't move freely in it; we're moving along the line known as "time" with a mostly constant velocity that only changes when we change our velocity in the first three dimensions. But other than that, time is a line just like width is. Move three feet to your right, and the universe around you appears different; move ten seconds into the future, and the universe around you appears different.

Your range of motion in length, width, and height represents everywhere you can go in the first three dimensions; this is known by you as simply "the world": full movement along those three dimensions represents everywhere you can go in space--i.e. "the universe".

Tack on that fourth dimension: your range of motion in space and time represents everywhere you can go in the world, in your lifetime--in other words, your entire history. True, you don't know how that history will unfold, because you haven't moved far enough in time. Just as you don't know what's a hundred miles to your left until you move over there and look.

Now add a fifth line--another direction perpendicular to length, width, height, and time. Basically you're now moving "sideways in time". Remember that the first three dimensions define a universe, and the fourth dimension defines that universe's history. So if you move sideways in time, you move to a different possible history. It's the same universe because you're still in the same first-three-dimensions, and for that reason the laws of physics are still the same, but you're at a different point in this fifth dimension. Maybe McCain won in 2008, or Saddam Hussein was a democratic President and all-around nice guy, or the Deepwater Horizon oil well never exploded. But this universe still contains John McCain, Saddam Hussein, and the Deepwater Horizon oil well. (Even though Saddam Hussein is dead, remember, he does exist between the two points in spacetime known as Al-Awja, Iraq, 28 April 1937 and Kadhimiya, Iraq, 30 December 2006)

The universe is the same, and the physics are the same. And all those other possible histories don't actually exist; they're simply different viewpoints of the same spacetime. When you move three feet forwards, you're not walking into a parallel universe, and you're not moving "into another dimension". You're just moving to a different point in the same universe. Move sideways in time, you're simply seeing the same universe from a different angle.


Disclaimer: BasketCase is not responsible for your medical costs if your brain explodes. Though it sure would have been nice if he'd warned you BEFORE you actually read the post that could cause your brain to explode.....:rolleyes:


Edit: oh, and if you're wondering why time travel is impossible? No two objects can occupy the same point in space; the reason you can't go back to five minutes ago is, there's an object already there--you. Try to go back five minutes, and you'll bump into your past self same way as you bump into a wall if you try to occupy the space it does.
 
There was quite an interesting documentary about infinity and infinite universes that i linked a while ago:


Link to video.

It's entertaining if nothing else.
 
There is a theory going around (not a scientific theory, although it's been proposed by scientists) that black holes contain universes in them. Our universe could be sitting in what is a long chain of universes in black holes.
 
Well I've heard that in some ways you supposedly "create" more universes where your in it, and you just did a different action. For example, if you stand up, you create another universe where your sitting down. I find this absolutely absurd, and don't understand how some of the atheists who believe it don't find it even more ridiculous than they thing religion is (I'm not atheist). They are just trying to find a way to take God out of the picture and also free will. They want to believe everything i completely random.
 
There is a theory going around (not a scientific theory, although it's been proposed by scientists) that black holes contain universes in them. Our universe could be sitting in what is a long chain of universes in black holes.

Wow thats a pretty interesting idea, black holes expand don't they? our universe expanding too, only problem is we'd have to be in an absolutely massive one for it to have black holes inside it, black holes remind me of that stephen king horror story where strange orbs were eating up reality, i can't remember the name now, hmm :think:
 
I've got it all figured out.
I stopped right there :lol:

I think it is very unlikely that there is only one universe and nothing around it. So far there always is something bigger and always something smaller providing the structure of existence. Unless I get to know a good reason why it won't be so in the case of the universe, that seems like the safest bet also in this case.
But beyond that I would say it is just a wild guessing game which does not justify a hope for some sort of resemblance of reality. I'll rather read a smart sci-fi novel.
 
I've got it all figured out.

That "third" dimension called "height" is simply a direction that's perpendicular to all the other dimensions you know of (length and width). Surprisingly, time is the same way. It's a fourth dimension (i.e. a fourth direction) that's perpendicular to length, width, and height. The only way time is different is, we can't move freely in it; we're moving along the line known as "time" with a mostly constant velocity that only changes when we change our velocity in the first three dimensions. But other than that, time is a line just like width is. Move three feet to your right, and the universe around you appears different; move ten seconds into the future, and the universe around you appears different.

Your range of motion in length, width, and height represents everywhere you can go in the first three dimensions; this is known by you as simply "the world": full movement along those three dimensions represents everywhere you can go in space--i.e. "the universe".

Tack on that fourth dimension: your range of motion in space and time represents everywhere you can go in the world, in your lifetime--in other words, your entire history. True, you don't know how that history will unfold, because you haven't moved far enough in time. Just as you don't know what's a hundred miles to your left until you move over there and look.

Now add a fifth line--another direction perpendicular to length, width, height, and time. Basically you're now moving "sideways in time". Remember that the first three dimensions define a universe, and the fourth dimension defines that universe's history. So if you move sideways in time, you move to a different possible history. It's the same universe because you're still in the same first-three-dimensions, and for that reason the laws of physics are still the same, but you're at a different point in this fifth dimension. Maybe McCain won in 2008, or Saddam Hussein was a democratic President and all-around nice guy, or the Deepwater Horizon oil well never exploded. But this universe still contains John McCain, Saddam Hussein, and the Deepwater Horizon oil well. (Even though Saddam Hussein is dead, remember, he does exist between the two points in spacetime known as Al-Awja, Iraq, 28 April 1937 and Kadhimiya, Iraq, 30 December 2006)

The universe is the same, and the physics are the same. And all those other possible histories don't actually exist; they're simply different viewpoints of the same spacetime. When you move three feet forwards, you're not walking into a parallel universe, and you're not moving "into another dimension". You're just moving to a different point in the same universe. Move sideways in time, you're simply seeing the same universe from a different angle.


Disclaimer: BasketCase is not responsible for your medical costs if your brain explodes. Though it sure would have been nice if he'd warned you BEFORE you actually read the post that could cause your brain to explode.....:rolleyes:


Edit: oh, and if you're wondering why time travel is impossible? No two objects can occupy the same point in space; the reason you can't go back to five minutes ago is, there's an object already there--you. Try to go back five minutes, and you'll bump into your past self same way as you bump into a wall if you try to occupy the space it does.

Actually, if you went back in time 5 minutes, you'd be 9,000 kilometres away from earth -- or perhaps ~3,000 kilometres below the surface of the antipode where you were.
 
"Multiple universes" is an oxymoron. ;)
 
No, Bullwinkle is an oxymoron.....errr.....wait. He's a moose, not an ox. Never mind. Anyway:

I think it is very unlikely that there is only one universe and nothing around it.
The universe itself is infinite. Or, at least, the universe is as big as anything can possibly be, depending on the curvature of three-dimensional space. However, the matter within that universe is definitely finite.

Actually, if you went back in time 5 minutes, you'd be 9,000 kilometres away from earth -- or perhaps ~3,000 kilometres below the surface of the antipode where you were.
It's impossible to get there from here. In order to get to five minutes ago, you have to stop moving forwards in time and start moving backwards. But there's no way to stop. Because once you do stop, you're moving laterally in space (i.e. the Earth is progressing in its orbit) while staying at the same point in time, which means you end up being in many places at once. Which is impossible.

And no, you can't just "blink" instantly to five minutes ago. You can't travel instantly in time for the same reason you can't travel instantly in space. Violation of relativity.
 
This violates one of my favorite rules (see footnote), but - since no one has mentioned Tegmark yet, I will. This guy has a neat "explanation" of how it is that our universe happens to exist and be "fine-tuned" for the existence of life. Certain physical constants, if they had been slightly different, would make life impossible. Isn't that a miracle, literally? No, it has a much simpler explanation, Tegmark says. Our universe with its peculiarities exists because all mathematically possible universes are physically existing entities. All is math. Any mathematical structure is ipso facto a physically real structure.

What a load of hooey. I'll leave explaining why, for another occasion, if anyone cares.

Footnote: The rule: Stick to the truth - it's easier to remember. Credit to Andy Griffiths and the writers of the TV series Matlock.
 
The universe itself is infinite. Or, at least, the universe is as big as anything can possibly be, depending on the curvature of three-dimensional space.
Stupid curvature gets in the way again. I always forget it. Well my logic applies to outside of the curvature as well. On the universe being infinite - depends on how you define it. I assumed the definition "universe as it is known to us". But it might be a layman definition.
However, the matter within that universe is definitely finite.
If you define "universe" as "everything around us", certainly not definitely. In fact, if I would have to guess I would say it is infinite.
 
Our universe with its peculiarities exists because all mathematically possible universes are physically existing entities. All is math. Any mathematical structure is ipso facto a physically real structure.
I am not a fan of the miracle narrative. But just because something is possible it has to exist? Now why would that be? That math says it can exist is no reason, because that is the prerequisite to say something is possible in the first place. You might as well say: Everything that is possible exists because it is possible.

edit: Opps I just noticed that you said yourself it is hooey.
 
Isn't there infinite space beyond event horizons?
 
Wow thats a pretty interesting idea, black holes expand don't they? our universe expanding too, only problem is we'd have to be in an absolutely massive one for it to have black holes inside it, black holes remind me of that stephen king horror story where strange orbs were eating up reality, i can't remember the name now, hmm :think:

Hey, I found an article about it

I didn't read this particular article, but the one I read a while ago might have mentioned a possibility of the chain of universes going on into infinity.. I could be misremembering
 
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