uubry
Deamon Deacon
Then how do we edit the first post when things change?!?!!
Inlightened Imperialist Party
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Members of the IIP: I am sorry for "advertising" in your thread and have withdrawn my statement. I understand your reasonings and was not surprised to see your response (actually I would have been more surprised if there was no such response.) I have clearly overstepped my boundaries and apologize for offending your fine party. My intent was never to do that, however since that is the general consensous I will leave. Once again, I'm sorry.
Swissempire
Poet Jester
Wow, bantste, could you maybe i don't know edit/remove your post, thanks. The Hawk-Doves are great and so are the Culturalists, but this was a little out of line. As a fellow member i urge you to recant your statement. 
Gloriana
Warlord
Greetings my fellow Imperialists, as I am still proud to call myself and you by that name.
I agree we should stick to our identity, and although he was a great force behind this party, Alphawolf is not our IDENTITY. Our opinions and ideals are that. Plus, I agree we have nothing to hide. He is part of our history, heck he is our founder even! Does that mean we refuse to be involved with anything that has to do with him? If we don't want anything to do with Alphawolf, like those who try to convert us try to impend on us, we should advise them to end this demogame and start demogame 2, as he was one of the founding fathers of this game, far before he even came up with his draft for the Tri government. In addition; even the most evil people did good things. Hitler for instance created a road network in Germany that is still one of the most efficient in Europe. What I'm trying to say is: We should learn from the bad things so they do not happen again, but we would be fools not to pick up and expand on the good things!
For now, I suggest we continue the IIP with the Elders governing us. If a nation can be governed by its people, surely a great party like this, with people who know how to debate, can do without a leader for a while? We can elect a new leader when we feel we need one again, most preferrably when things have settled down a bit.
We will prevail!
I agree we should stick to our identity, and although he was a great force behind this party, Alphawolf is not our IDENTITY. Our opinions and ideals are that. Plus, I agree we have nothing to hide. He is part of our history, heck he is our founder even! Does that mean we refuse to be involved with anything that has to do with him? If we don't want anything to do with Alphawolf, like those who try to convert us try to impend on us, we should advise them to end this demogame and start demogame 2, as he was one of the founding fathers of this game, far before he even came up with his draft for the Tri government. In addition; even the most evil people did good things. Hitler for instance created a road network in Germany that is still one of the most efficient in Europe. What I'm trying to say is: We should learn from the bad things so they do not happen again, but we would be fools not to pick up and expand on the good things!
For now, I suggest we continue the IIP with the Elders governing us. If a nation can be governed by its people, surely a great party like this, with people who know how to debate, can do without a leader for a while? We can elect a new leader when we feel we need one again, most preferrably when things have settled down a bit.
We will prevail!
oagersnap
Emperor
Yes, bantste, as Vice-President and fellow member of the Hawk-Dove Party, I agree with the others that you should delete that post. If people are interested in our party, they can find it on their own.
Swissempire
Poet Jester
Gloriana, truer words have never been spoken. This is what i have been saying all along, but sadly many people do not agree. This should be a lesson, a building point, not a road block or ending point!
Bengeance
Civ Retributioner
As a member of the Hawk-Dove Party I hope that you guys come out of this even stronger and I look forward to working together with you in the Demogame. We are not trying to steal members, bantste just got a little over zealous in his recruiting. We are really just two aspects of the same ideology. Good luck sorting things out and hope to hear a lot from you guys in the future.
Gloriana
Warlord
Dear party members,
Allow me to point us to a problem concerning this party in the light of recent events. First of all, let me begin by quoting Rik Meleet in his official announcement of which accounts have turned out to be DLs
(Bold mine)
Next I would like to draw your attention to the members of our Council:
(Again, bold mine)
Now I think the situation is clear; next to no longer having a Basileus (which we have already discussed), 2 of our Elders are also DL accounts, one of which being the Prime Elder.
Acting as a sort of Party CJ I have also verfied the Elder elections. Although they were also rather much influenced by fraudulent votes, the eventual outcome remained the same, the first election being won by Mike Lemmer and a tie between Tboy and Gloriana, the runoff was won by Tboy.
I know I do not hold office, but these are weird times and as our elders did not address this issue I though I'd take it up.
My question is: what do we do with the now vacant Elder positions?
Allow me to point us to a problem concerning this party in the light of recent events. First of all, let me begin by quoting Rik Meleet in his official announcement of which accounts have turned out to be DLs
(Bold mine)
Next I would like to draw your attention to the members of our Council:
(Again, bold mine)
Now I think the situation is clear; next to no longer having a Basileus (which we have already discussed), 2 of our Elders are also DL accounts, one of which being the Prime Elder.
Acting as a sort of Party CJ I have also verfied the Elder elections. Although they were also rather much influenced by fraudulent votes, the eventual outcome remained the same, the first election being won by Mike Lemmer and a tie between Tboy and Gloriana, the runoff was won by Tboy.
I know I do not hold office, but these are weird times and as our elders did not address this issue I though I'd take it up.
My question is: what do we do with the now vacant Elder positions?
Mike Lemmer
Prince
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I confirm Gloriana's statements, as I did the same check when the scandal broke. I also agree with Blkbird's suggestion. I suggest we lead as just a council of elders for now and elect a new Basileus around Term 2.
uubry
Deamon Deacon
I agree with reducing the number of Elders. The number had made communication difficult since you can only PM up to 5 people at a time.
Note to all non-elders: I sent to a PM to all the remaining elders to touch base to get their input (and to make sure they didn't go AWOL)
Note to all non-elders: I sent to a PM to all the remaining elders to touch base to get their input (and to make sure they didn't go AWOL)
Swissempire
Poet Jester
"and the wheels go roud" YAY we're back in action!
Gloriana
Warlord
I agree on reducing the number of Elders. We should be doing fine with the amount we have now. Heck, we ARE doing fine with the amount of Elders we have now! We are a good party, yaaay! 
And thanks for confirming my findings Mike!
And thanks for confirming my findings Mike!
uubry
Deamon Deacon
I know I just sent the PM yesterday how long should we wait for replies from Tboy and admiral-bell, or for that matter any elder, before their seats are vacated?
Swissempire
Poet Jester
how long has it been since thye last posted?
uubry
Deamon Deacon
Let's see...
Tboy-Dec 13, 2005, 11:57 AM; pg 8, post #145 (note: this was when he got elected and he only posted 1-3 times before that)
admiral-bell- Nov 04, 2005, 07:34 PM; pg 1, post #6 (he was made an elder because he was a founding member, but I think he was to be replaced already because of that large bout of inaction [his was his only post])
I think it would be fair to appoint Gloria an elder since she almost beat Tboy and leave it at three elders, plus it's an odd number.
Tboy-Dec 13, 2005, 11:57 AM; pg 8, post #145 (note: this was when he got elected and he only posted 1-3 times before that)
admiral-bell- Nov 04, 2005, 07:34 PM; pg 1, post #6 (he was made an elder because he was a founding member, but I think he was to be replaced already because of that large bout of inaction [his was his only post])
I think it would be fair to appoint Gloria an elder since she almost beat Tboy and leave it at three elders, plus it's an odd number.
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