investigating 9/11

I already told you why they did it, and it had nothing to do with Iraq. They wanted to unite the world into one country so that they could have one giant market for their goods to make us buy. But they couldnt do that with democratic countries so they had to turn all our countries into police states first. And they needed an enemy to scare people into giving up their freedoms and the 9/11 attacks were the way of doing that. They pretended it was a bunch of Arabs with boxcutters and suddenly everyone was afraid and would let them do what they want.

The world already is one giant market, and if they really wanted to unite the world in one nation as you say, for some other giant market, then attacking a leading trade center sounds like a pretty stupid place to attack.

Who flew the planes into the buildings?
 
I already told you why they did it, and it had nothing to do with Iraq. They wanted to unite the world into one country so that they could have one giant market for their goods to make us buy. But they couldnt do that with democratic countries so they had to turn all our countries into police states first. And they needed an enemy to scare people into giving up their freedoms and the 9/11 attacks were the way of doing that. They pretended it was a bunch of Arabs with boxcutters and suddenly everyone was afraid and would let them do what they want.

So they failed then? Wait,....to make us buy there goods? Walmart was behind 9/11?

WOW, and here I thought the conspiracy of HOW they did 9/11 were bad. Why they did are even worse. Luckly for you there are many people here in the OT who have extensive backgrounds in econ whom would say this makes no sense at all. These people have to spend a CRAP LOAD of capital just to corner the world on buying there goods.

So I'm also guessing you think all the votes are fixed and so on. Like I said, the only way this works is if they already control the goverment...governments. This would have to go way beyond the US. Bush/Kerry, McCain/Obama. They all have to be in one it. Or at least forced in someway to keep quite.
 
I call on the great pwnage skillz of Sharwood, come to this thread almighty and show this lost one the light of reason.




First i watched a video called Loose Change and thats what really got me started looking into 9/11. And with all the evidence we have about 9/11 proving it was an inside job orchestrated by the illuminati (dont believe those people that say it was Bush who planned it. like Bush was smart enough to do it himself lol!) I think you should all watch Loose Change if you havent, also another good documentary is Zeitgeist. There are many other good films about the truth of 9/11 but I cant list them all here because it would take up too much time!
Loose Change... isn't that the movie that gets laugh at by the 9/11 Truth Movement. By Illuminati you mean some pissed off crazy Arabs living in caves, right?
Like how steel cant melt under the fires because they werent hot enough.
Your right the steel couldn't have melted in the fire but when it reaches half the temperature(which it did) steel starts to bend and lose strength.
Many evidences have been discovered by Scholars for 9/11 truth like Richard Gage and David Ray Griffin and Jim Fetzer, like how the dust on the towers proves that it was thermite bombs they used because the dust paritcles couldnt have come from anything else and the pyroclastic clouds that came from the buildings after they were demolished can only come from thermite charges.
Do you know how much you would need in explosives to knock down the twin towers?(Answer: alot) Better question, know how miles of wire you would need to do such a job?

Or how many people said they heard explosions in the buildings and we have video evidence of explosions taking the building down at the speed of gravity.
The buildings fell of course they would fall at the speed of gravity cause EVERYTHING DOES. Those explosions were the sound of the columns being destroyed.


So my question is just that when will people wake up? I know were under attack by hearst yellow journalism publications like PM, because the truth is always attacked. They laughed at us for years then they tried to ignore us and that didnt work so now theyre attacking us. How long do you think until the government agrees to stop lying and allow a new investigation into 9/11? Obviously their investigations (the 9/11 omission report lol!) are tainted by corporate illuminati money and we need real researchers to do the job, but when do you think that will happen. Im optimistic and i think we can do it in a few years, but what do you think?

If neone has any questions about 9/11 and false flag terror attacks by the illuminati I would be happy to explain them to you. A lot of people dont know about our evidences, so if you want I can present them to you as well if you dont know them. Please remember to be pleasant and respectful in my thread, i dont want this turning into flaming of other people.

Truth is 19 crazy guys can do a . .. .. .. . load of damage

We in the movement have looked at all evidence, and its obvious that the official story does not add up. If you have some evidence that proves the official story, I would be happy to look at it as I look at all evidence when forming my conclusion. I have seen most of the evidence but Im honest enough to admit that there might be some out there I havent seen that might change my view. So please help me and show some more evidence if you wish.

To explain it all you need to understand alot of science and I doubt you could grasp any of it
There are plenty of people in Loose Change and they are legitimate researchers. Theres this one guy that is a demolitions expoert with no ties to the 9/11 truth movement and they showed him a video of building 7 falling without telling him it was on 9/11, and he was positive it was a controlled demolition! Then when they told him it was on 9/11 he was like "WTH, really?" Besides when PM said theres no expertise theyre usually just resorting to personal attacks and character assassination (which btw i am grateful there has been none so far in this thread. Thank you for the good discussion).

See above on Loose Change

P.S I wanted to see Ecofarm in this too.
 
I call on the great pwnage skillz of Sharwood, come to this thread almighty and show this lost one the light of reason.
Awesome, I'm a god now. I've claimed such for years, but only two girlfriend's in throes of passion have admitted such. And they changed their minds later.

Sadly, I can't unleash my Obi-Wan Kenpwnage on this thread with any degree of awesomeness, as I simply don't know enough about what he's saying. The Moon Landing Hoax I knew enough about to repeatedly rape all such arguments in violent and painful fashion - the Kpwnbi Bryant, if you will -, but I have never heard of this 'documentary' or this particular 'theory.'

The only one of these claims I've heard of is the steel melting one, and that's easily explained. The steel didn't bloody melt, it collapsed. The impact destroyed much of the structure - including steel girders - of the WTC, forcing the remaining steel to carry far greater weight than it was originally designed to do. As such it gave way. Like a deck of cards collapsing when you mess with the top, the undamaged part of the building was unable to hold the weight of the top third of it collapsing on top of it, causing it to collapse also. The only steel that melted was immediately surrounding the impact zone, and the initial heat wave of an exploding plane tends to be hotter than the resulting fires, making that more than logical.

As for Building 7, I actually woke up just in time to see that collapse that morning. I have seen an apartment block collapse due to improper structural strengthening of a subway tunnel being constructed beneath it, in person. Fortunately people heard the building groaning and got out, and no-one was killed. A few minor injuries, that's all. It collapsed in the same way.

You see, the reason for the collapse of Building 7 was the concussion caused by both the explosions of the aeroplane impacts and the collapse of the Towers. Building 7's bottom floors were damaged by said concussions, especially coming consequetively in such a short period. Now, if the top floors had been damaged it probably would have survived, it was actually more suited to do so than either tower. However, the bottom floors obviously had to carry all the weight of the floors above them - in fact, Building 7 had to carry far more weight than the damaged part of the WTC had to. Naturally, in its damaged state it could not hold this weight, and it fell.

A controlled demolition would similarly have taken out the bottom floors, causing an identical collapse. Of course, there were no visible explosions, ruling out any such demolition. I know this for a fact, as I was watching it occur LIVE. All implosions involve visible explosions from the angle at which I was viewing it.

Also, I've yet to hear of any employer - except potentially the US government, which would obviously not want people discussing this while the investigation was still ongoing - who has forbade their employees from discussing the collapse of the towers. Unless Osama is telling his people not to talk under torture, which he probably is.

Regarding the existence of an "Illuminati," I'll give the same answer I gave in the sheer awesomeness of the "Moon Landing Hoax" thread, my personal favourite thread in internet history: pulling off such a conspiracy would be ten thousand times more impressive than if we actually went to the moon. If the Illuminati exists and has as much power as you claim, then they're so frigging powerful that they don't need to resort to this crap. Woody60707 was right when he said as much earlier.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, the removing of civil liberties and turning of nations into police states was proceeding with great gusto prior to 9/11 in many countries - my own included - but in others, most notably Indonesia, the reverse was true. Surely the Illuminati could have co-opted Indonesia's fledgling democracy? Besides, nations don't need to do anything this drastic to justify the creation of a police state. I suggest you read the transcripts of Hermann Goering's speeches at the Nuremberg trials. He had somewhat firsthand experience, and was also correct.

Bin Laden looks different in all the videos because he's a different age. Also, he colours his hair when he can. Besides, most of the videos are old ones that his people are only now releasing. There's a fairly good chance Osama himself is already dead - he was in bad health before 9/11 -, and Al-Qaeda is maintaining the myth that he's still alive because it's good for recruitment. Wouldn't be the first time. Israel and Palestine have both done the same thing, and fairly recently.

Osama's height is always the same, but some videos show him from different angles and framed differently. Besides, altering a person's hieght in camera isn't difficult. Look at old wrestling interviews involving Andre the Giant. he was 6"9', but looked 18inches taller than the 6"1' Vince McMahon. The reason? McMahon was sitting down, Andre was standing, and the camera didn't show anything below Andre's waist.

Thermite charges are very noticeable. If they were used there would be a LOT of evidence. You really think none of those firefighters or police had ever done demolition work, or military service? Or are they all in the Illuminati?

Your understanding of economics is completely flawed. Worldwide trade actually fell after 9/11, for the first time in about 30 years or more. It's still recovering. Also, the nation already possesses a very globalised marketplace. Polarising the world as the War on Terror has done actually damages this. It strengthens regimes such as Iran while hurting nations like the US. War may be good for business, but it's also good for creating political instability. The odds of an Islamic revolution in Egypt are increasing everyday, the Illuminati certainly don't want that. It would be more than a little bad for commerce havig a fundamentalist regime in control of the Suez Canal.

That's it for now, I'm sure you'll come up with something else for me to debunk later though.
 
It's best to not reason with this guy; he and his cabal have been shown thousands of facts; they ignore them to persist in their fantasy -- they are deluded. Let him banter as much in here as he wants, we have better things to do.
 
It's best to not reason with this guy; he and his cabal have been shown thousands of facts; they ignore them to persist in their fantasy -- they are deluded. Let him banter as much in here as he wants, we have better things to do.
You're forgetting one thing: it's fun to pick on the ignorant. Good for the ego to lord it over on them. Eventually it gets tiring, but for a while, it's great!
 
I don't have the time now, but even the biggest 9/11 conspiracy theorists on this board a couple of years ago agreed Loose Change is a laughing stock.

Loose Change started as FICTION. They then changed a few details because they realized making it look 'realistic' (to some gullible people) would sell more copies then leaving it 'fiction'.

So which version of Loose Change did the OP view, Loose Change had like a dozen version, changing their story every time due to all their 'facts' easily being shot down.

Loose Change shows the 4 knocked over light poles at the Pentagon and claims a wide passenger jet (keep in mind how wide one of those planes is with the wings) flying at 500 mph couldn't have done it because a SLOW MOVING CESNA (really small plane) failed to knock one over. :rolleyes: So they then claim a cruise missile did that! :lol:

Did the cruise missile fly in a zig-zag pattern, knocking out the poles before hitting the pentagon? :crazyeye:

The building expert who was 'dumbfounded' upon learning the video he was shown of WTC7 (which he thought was a controlled demolition) was tricked because he was shown a video that had a limited view of WTC7. The video he was watching only showed the top half of the building (that wasn't damaged), so without being informed of any circumstances that could have caused the collapse, a controlled demolition was the only conclusion he could draw. If he had been told it was WTC7 or seen the bottom part of the building that was damaged his conclusion would have been different.
 
The building expert also said that a crew of 40 would have to be working in WTC 7 in the time it took to rig the building. This while a. it was burning and b. fire fighters were in the building for the first couple of hours.

So if WTC 7 was rigged it means two things. It means there is a demolition crew insane enough to rig a burning building. This crew surely has to be the most skilled crew on the planet. Not only that, but they'd have to be a ninja demolition crew not to be spotted. Either that or the entire New York fire fighter department had to be in on it.
 
Man, the Illuminati are totally evil. Ya know, they even tried to blow up the Vatican once? Before Dan Brown outed them.
 
Investigate 9/11 by all means, it can do no harm. You could have even come up with a well-reasoned OP to justify your concerns with the accuracy of the official story. But to make claims about illuminati, one world government, and people being 'forced into silence by their employers' makes you sound CRAZY.
 
9-11 was the result of incompetence not malice.
Thats why Bush and Cheney refused to testify in public under oath, it was an attempt to coverup there criminal neglagence not conspiracy. (Eight years of constant repeated screw ups is testerment to that)
 
9-11 was the result of incompetence not malice.
Thats why Bush and Cheney refused to testify in public under oath, it was an attempt to coverup there criminal neglagence not conspiracy. (Eight years of constant repeated screw ups is testerment to that)
Maybe they aren't really incompetent, but are just feigning extreme incompetence as part of an intricately organised plot to make themselves seem incompetent, so that we'll be focused on them while their allies are moving into place to bring the hammer down?
 
All you Monday morning quarterbacks love to point the finger @ Bush for this, but the fact of the matter is that this was pretty inconceivable to damn near all of us before that day.
 
All you Monday morning quarterbacks love to point the finger @ Bush for this, but the fact of the matter is that this was pretty inconceivable to damn near all of us before that day.
Except for a few people who made a report about a terror attack using commercial airplanes.
 
All you Monday morning quarterbacks love to point the finger @ Bush for this, but the fact of the matter is that this was pretty inconceivable to damn near all of us before that day.
What about that guy who wrote a book where a dude flies an airplane into the Capitol? Tom Clancy had inside knowledge of the whole thing!
 
Except for a few people who made a report about a terror attack using commercial airplanes.
Come on dude, there is plenty of blame to go around but to blame Bush is just silly. There are plenty of things he did wrong in his presidency, but scapegoating him for that takes away from true gripes about his performance.
 
Come on dude, there is plenty of blame to go around but to blame Bush is just silly. There are plenty of things he did wrong in his presidency, but scapegoating him for that takes away from true gripes about his performance.
I'm not putting the blame solely on Bush. I am arguing against the claim such an attack was inconceivable since there was a report prior to 9/11 about such an attack. Whether it's a combined failure of both Bush and Clinton administrations, or just the one, I don't know.

Although Rice was great on the 9/11 hearing: "We were not presented with a plan. We were presented with a series of actionable items"

"I recall the title of that report is Bin Laden to attack the United States."
 
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