Iran launches new superweapon!

[MobBoss]

Carries are very vulnerable. Its the reason why many nations have stopped making them.

No. They are still the supreme power projection platform in the world today. The reason nations stopped building them is they cannot afford to build them. They are extremely expensive platforms.

The new missiles the Iranians, made would not be detectable by carrier radars no only that even if did, its the worlds fastest underwater missile 1* so you wouldn't be able to do much, American carriers are sitting ducks for the Iranian missiles.

I would beg to differ on that. A carrier sits in the middle of an entire flotilla of support/screening vessels. The torp may be fast, but the firing platform will not get within targeting range of a carrier without being destroyed by its escort vessels.

If you were a modern day military expert like me.

Pure comedy gold.

 

[Bugfatty300]

OH SHOW me please master the modern western nuclear subs!!!

Sure.

They surely must have nuclear propulsion to be modern and western!M I RITE?

Yes to be modern, I would say a submarine has to be nuclear, otherwise no reasonable naval power should deal with them.

Not really Western per se, but every American sub is nuclear.

 

[MobBoss]

Sure.

Yes to be modern, I would say a submarine has to be nuclear, otherwise no reasonable naval power should deal with them.

Not really Western per se, but every American sub is nuclear.

Well, in all honesty, I would argue that which makes a submarine modern is not the propulsion system alone, but also the sonar/eletronics/targeting systems that go in as well.

Russian diesel subs had a reputation of being extremely slow, but they were also very quiet. What really made them inferior was that they could be found and targeted by our more advanced sonar and targeting systems.

Ditto with any Iranian subs out there. They just dont have the advanced electronics to have a prayer vs our subs and destroyers, let alone our airborne active sonar platforms made specifically to be hunter/killers of such subs.

 

[Kozmos]

Sure.

Is that the SeaWolf ?

Yes to be modern, I would say a submarine has to be nuclear.

Not really Western, but every American sub is nuclear.

Iran has little use for a nuclear submarine.Diesel is just as good for them.

 

[IglooDame]

If you were a modern day military expert like me. You would know the problem with carriers. And you make me laugh when you say outside the Persian Gulf, are you telling me that a 'world's fastest' sonar-evading torpedo can't hit in American Carrier? and the missile is going to be in the water anti-air would be useless. Its hard to avoid a torpedo you can detect on a radar, let alone the worlds fastest torpedo that you can't even detect on a radar.

Okay, if it's a troll, so be it, but "If I was a modern day military expert like you"? Let's compare notes, shall we?

I was commissioned through the US Naval Academy, and was a surface-line lieutenant in the US Navy. My shipboard billets aboard a frigate and a destroyer were Communications Officer and Electronic Warfare Officer respectively, and I was the Officer of the Deck or CIC watch officer during combat exercises that included hunting both diesel and nuke submarines. That aside, I have a strong interest in 20th and 21st century naval warfare.

You, on the other hand, apparently can't differentiate between radar and sonar, are apparently taking Iranian press releases at face value, think that a supercavitating rocket-propelled torpedo is somehow sonar-evading, and don't seem to be considering the problems inherent in getting any launch platform within 7000 meters of an American carrier.

And the reason for scrapping carriers was, because of the Russian torpedo's, they were too vulnerable also the carriers have something like 20+ fighter jets on them, take about 5 carriers and you've lost 90% of your air force.

Just out of curiosity, which carriers have been scrapped? The US has maintained over a dozen carriers for the last few decades, the French and British are planning to build a couple (France still having one), and other countries have purchased older carriers and are still operating them. Aside from which, as MobBoss notes, if you've got five carriers, you've got a lot more than 120 fighter aircraft in your air force.

 

[MobBoss]

@Igloodude...Whoot!!! Modern day Military experts in da hood!!!!

High five!

 

[IglooDame]

@Igloodude...Whoot!!! Modern day Military experts in da hood!!!!

High five!

Backatcha, buddy!

I suspect between you and I, we could write a pretty good book on the DoD...

 

[Napoliean]

Well I can bet you, 2$ that you can get withing range of taking out a carrier, just with a nuclear sub.

 

[blackheart]

So Napoliean... what do you think the world's most modern navy is switch to if we are going away from carriers?

 

[Napoliean]

I don't care I do hope America bombs the crap out of Iran.

 

[Elrohir]

Thats what I like about americans,no that AK47 is not nearly as good us our M16.

Even in that comparison, it would depend on the situation. In some cases, the AK is better than the M16, in others the M16 comes out on top, it pretty much depends. But the fact of the matter is, short of God coming down to help them, if the Iranian diesal subs try and go toe to toe with modern US nuclear subs, they're all going to die.

Okay, if it's a troll, so be it, but "If I was a modern day military expert like you"? Let's compare notes, shall we?

I was commissioned through the US Naval Academy, and was a surface-line lieutenant in the US Navy. My shipboard billets aboard a frigate and a destroyer were Communications Officer and Electronic Warfare Officer respectively, and I was the Officer of the Deck or CIC watch officer during combat exercises that included hunting both diesel and nuke submarines. That aside, I have a strong interest in 20th and 21st century naval warfare.

You, on the other hand, apparently can't differentiate between radar and sonar, are apparently taking Iranian press releases at face value, think that a supercavitating rocket-propelled torpedo is somehow sonar-evading, and don't seem to be considering the problems inherent in getting any launch platform within 7000 meters of an American carrier.

Owned.

 

[Napoliean]

So Napoliean... what do you think the world's most modern navy is switch to if we are going away from carriers?

You don't need them, you can have bases anywhere in the world if you have the money and right contacts.

 

[blackheart]

You don't need them, you can have bases anywhere in the world if you have the money and right contacts.

Well then, if you had that much money why bother going to war in the first place? . For being such a modern day military expert, you missed the entire point of a navy, carriers, rapid reactionary forces, and power projection.

 

[Napoliean]

Just to let you know the American army is really not that powerful. It can't even put down a little insurgency in Iraq done by a bunch of cowboys about 2 individuals. How many Americans die everyday in Iraq? America had to take 5 other nations with it to take out the Iraqi forces, same in Afghanistan. And even in Afghanistan there is an insurgency going on.

America has not won any wars since world war 2, they have either been stale-mates or they've had to pull out due to insurance or the wars have been fought through proxy. Everyone said the Roman empire will never be defeated and even that came to an end.

 

[Elrohir]

A "little insurgency"? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. As for how many are dying in Iraq every day, the answer is fewer than at this time last year. The US military is the best on the planet, Napoliean. As a "modern day military expert", shouldn't you know that?

 

[Napoliean]

Well then, if you had that much money why bother going to war in the first place? . For being such a modern day military expert, you missed the entire point of a navy, carriers, rapid reactionary forces, and power projection.

Actually, if you really know what was going on then you would know that who really controls America.

 

[Napoliean]

A "little insurgency"? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. As for how many are dying in Iraq every day, the answer is fewer than at this time last year. The US military is the best on the planet, Napoliean. As a "modern day military expert", shouldn't you know that?

I don't deny its the best in the world. But its not the post powerful. America can only win short wars, it can't win prolonged wars. Not because it doesn't have the resources, its because of public opinion.

I can tell you one thing this "war on terror" is going fail Iran will be a nuclear state, and America will shamefully pull out of Iraq. Look what happened to Germany, every-nation that gets too big for its boots loses. Tell me how many nations have tried to conquer the entire globe?

Its all part of evolution, all the weaker nations take out the bully, its part of human nature. And America is seen as a bully.

 

[Elrohir]

So, tell me, what military is more powerful than the US? And in what way? Considering the US military has a combined force of 13,000 nuclear warheads, (In comparison, China has 400) I'm interested to see who you pick.

America isn't trying to conquer the globe. If we were trying to make Iraq an American possession, why would we establish a democratic government with it's own army loyal to it, not us, and start moving troops out? That doesn't make sense.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

Why does Iran think it can even last about... oh... one hour against America in a war?

Yeah, because America is doing great against the insurgents in Iraq now.

 

[IglooDame]

Well I can bet you, 2$ that you can get withing range of taking out a carrier, just with a nuclear sub.

Oh, okay then, I defer to your vastly superior expertise.