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What I meant is, if you control the adjacent sea territory, can you fight your way through the straits to the sea territory beyond them, albeit probably at a disadvantage? Or does it cut off passage completely?
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kiwitt
Road to War Modder
GM: You need to have permission from both sides. Fighting implies DoWs
kiwitt
Road to War Modder
GM: As can attempting to breach the block to military vessels. Also a power who controls it can simply lay mines in the passage, which only a sea "pilot" will have details for navigation through.
arya126
Squad Leader
Kiwitt, the thing is fighting does not imply a DoW. There have been countless border, naval, and skirmishing conflicts throughout history without DoWs. Why should you require a DoW just to force your navy through a straight that you dont control? You shouldnt have to declare all out war just to take naval control of a straight.
You do if it is controlled by someone else and they don't want you to use it. It makes perfect sense to me.
arya126
Squad Leader
....Or you could just send your fleets in without declaring war.
And what happens when they meet a defending navy?
Should I be able to drive tanks across your land to get to the other side without your permission or declaring on you? This is the same concept. Using one of these passages without permission is a violation of soverignty. No if's and's or buts about it.
Either get permission or declare.
(This discussion should probably be continued in the group and not in thread.)
Should I be able to drive tanks across your land to get to the other side without your permission or declaring on you? This is the same concept. Using one of these passages without permission is a violation of soverignty. No if's and's or buts about it.
Either get permission or declare.
(This discussion should probably be continued in the group and not in thread.)
arya126
Squad Leader
July 4th, 1903 was a day of jubilation and happiness. But there was also a great sadness that lay upon the new country of Greece like a blanket. So many had died in the GCW. So many more were wounded. So much was destroyed. One of the greatest cities in Europe, Athens, was almost completely destroyed by the arrows of Allah. Mount Olympus is ravaged by war, and Thessaloniki hardly exists as a settlement after the battle there. Much of the north of the country is just gone. The south however, particularly the Peloponnese Peninsula, emerged from the war ready to lift the country back onto its own two feet. Many of the factories of the pre-civil war region were centered around Thebes, which went largely untouched during the war, and even managed to triple in production due to such extreme demands of the war.
April 6th of 1903, before the war was even over, saw the beginning of what would become the Industrialization Act, in which production priorities shifted from a war footing to a rebuilding and expansionist one. By this time, many in the south considered the war won, and rebuilding began, mostly in Athens at the time. Some saw this as a wonderful opportunity, an opportunity to take on a great challenge and rebuild the cities of Greece greater than they had ever been before. Soon, within 2 weeks of the Act being officially passed on May 2nd, an international architecture team was assembled. Engineers from Texas were brought in at an outrageous price, Architects from the city of New York whose recent preliminary designs for an amazing building had been turned down by the government, and even some investors from Germany and France, along with the Greek experts in each field.
A design was chosen similar to the one turned down in New York, finer points of design were fought over, but eventually, on September 26th, the anniversary of the day Greece declared independence from Bosnia, construction began on what would become the tallest building in the world.
The foundations of the 'Lyceum', as it has been named.
There was a long debate over what to name it, and what its actual purpose would be. The initial motivation in building it was to restore the glory of Athens by setting a precedent, but as the price tag grew, many politicians, especially the Apella, or the people in other words, started to want a named purpose for the building. Would it become a government office? The beginnings of a new corporation to revitalize the economy?
Eventually by a very close vote, it was decided to sell it to Aristotle Corporate Company (ACC) who planned to turn it into the finest university the world had yet to behold. The estimated price tag of the construction of the building was placed at 7.6 million Drachmas (greek currency), about equal to what Bosnia had tried to sell us to France for. However, the government of Greece made a huge profit, of which the down payment made rapid industrialization in aid of the Industrialization act possible. The price they sold it to the ACC for was announced to be 304 million Drachmas. For reference, this would be equal to 400 million Francs, as the Drachma-Franc exchange rate is roughly around 1.3 at the moment. (In other words, 10 million francs equal 1 IC, while 7.6 million Drachmas are worth 1 IC). The huge profit has allowed for the near doubling of the industries of Greece in productivity through investment.
A model portraying what the Lyceum will eventually look like.
It is expected to be finished by January 23rd, 1905. By then, much of the reconstruction of the blocks surrounding the building will, if kept on schedule, be finished.
The military has also been thoroughly re organized due to the lessons learned, both from our own GCW, and the observation and study of conflicts on the International stage as well. There are now 7 'armies', and 3 'navies'. However, to understand what this means, you must first look at the organizational structure farther down the chain.
Instead of regiments, our army has been re organized into battalions, which in turn are divided into brigades, and then into divisions. A battalion consists of 400 men, and there are typically 5 of them in each Brigade. There are 3 Brigades of 2000 men and women in each division, which means a division consists of 6,000 bodies. A Brigade is our lowest form of a strategic unit, which can be moved around at the theater level, although units as small as companies and even platoons sometimes are used as strategic garrisons at times, these units are typically static. The main lower tactical unit is the company, although the upper tactical unit is the battalion.
Above brigades at the strategic level are divisions. These are the main logistical unit, and generally are used for coordinating Brigades in offensives. The corps is the next echelon of the chain of command, and almost always consists of 3-7 divisions. The corps are 'officially' called armies by the standard of the world due to how they are organized, though they are much smaller than any true international army, consisting of only 18,000 infantrymen with a 2,000 complement of Cavalrymen when 3 divisions are used in the corps. However, the largest size that a corps will ever be will be at 42,000 infantrymen and 6,000 cavalrymen, when at full total war strength of 7 divisions.
These 7 corps of our regular army are divided into 3 army groups. 4th Army group consists of the 3rd and 6th corps, and is responsible for the defense of Attica (thebes, Athens, that area) and all of our island possessions. 26th Army group consists of the 1st and 2nd corps, led by King Lacedaemon, and is responsible for all of Peloponnese (Sparta, Argos, Corinthe). The 37th Army Group consists of the 4th, 5th, and 7th corps, and is responsible for all of Norther Greece. it is led by King Ariston.
The navy has been organized into the Foreign Squadron, the Salamis Fleet, and the Lysander Force. By far the largest, the Salamis fleet is the main force Greece controls on the sea, and protects our shores. The Lysander Force is the smallest, and is reserved for the developing, designing, testing, and maiden voyages of the newest naval designs we get. The Foreign Squadron is a civilian fleet of warships that can only be controlled by the government in times of war. When Greece is at peace, or if the government chooses to let the Squadron be while at war, then the Foreign Squadron roams the globe providing its service to whoever pays the best, whoever they agree with, and whoever needs their help. Got some rogue pirates on your hands? The Foreign Squadron will come and take em out for you-at a price. Your local communist neighbor has built a new fleet? Our communist hating civilian leader of the Squadron might just come over and make sure that fleet never threatens your shores.
The Foreign Squadron, setting out into a beautiful Mediterranean Sea.
And some new cities are finally large enough to be recognized as such. These include Khios in the Aegean Sea, and Agrinio south of Ioannina. Both of these cities were nearly unscathed by the war, and even the casualties from these cities were lower than almost nay others. It is little wonder that they have continued to grow through all the strife, and have even prospered at the chance of spreading their influence throughout Greece due to their efforts at helping reconstruct their broken country.
arya126
Squad Leader
There have been countless battles, skirmishes, and other such conflicts that have had no declaration of war in history. Maybe not for a straight, but you are saying a nation should HAVE TO declare war simply to engage in hostilities. This should not be the case.
Plus, 'violation of sovereignty' doesnt necessarily mean you are declaring war, it just gives the person you 'violated' a basic casus belli (in IC terms, NO we dont want casus bellis as a rule) against you so they can declare war if they so wish.
Maybe I even consider those waters to be international waters, in which case they have no right to stop me. Therefore, it wouldnt be a violation.
Its all in perspective.
kiwitt
Road to War Modder
GM: As mentioned take the rules discussion to the thread.
Xi'an - Another sleep year in the Kingdom marches onward. Ever since the end of the age of Great War, and the Xi'an Olympics, things have settled down, culturally, politically, and economically. Industry slowly rises, the economy gets better every year, people settle down to better and better lives, the political climate is stable, international relations are steady as the world, except for the recent civil war in Russia, is pretty slow and cozy, all is good in the Kingdom.
Citizens of the Kingdom are urged to take advantage of this quiet to kick back and relax, play a round of your favorite game, socialize, ride a newly created airship, raise a family, and just enjoy life in the greatest country on the planet.
Orders - 278 IC
-Airships invented in Xi'an - Option 1 - +10 IC
-New forest of apple trees - Option 1 - 25% chance of a stability increase
-Shanxi Merchants are offering discounts - Option 1 - -10 IC
-Tibet to be the best-run local economy - Option 1 - +10 IC
-The dam in Mongolia has broken - Option 3 - 40 IC
-124 Factories - 248 IC
- 10 Factories in Each Province
- 10 more Factories in Peking
- 4 More Factories in Korea
The start of the century has been good to Germany. German athletes did well at their Olympics debut in Xi'an, and German scientists made great advances, particularly in the field of physics.
German physicist Max Planck, pioneer of quantum mechanics
The German government has been quick to recognise the genius of its scientists, providing large grants to support universities and other research institutions around the country. Germany recognises that current industrial practices are still inefficient and labour-intensive, and new technologies are important to modernise industry and ensure that Germany does not fall behind the rest of the world.
Chancellor August Bebel new pet project is the electrification of the country. Electricity has long been hailed as the "key to the future" by prominient industrialists and statesmen. Most major cities now enjoy electric lights and a growing range of electric appliances; the challenge is now to expand the grid to the smaller towns and the countryside. The Slavic genius Nikola Tesla has been instrumental in this effort; employed by the national German electricity company, he has designed a national electricity grid based on alternative current.
Slavic scientist Nikola Tesla, pioneer of AC generation, relaxing in his lab near Vienna
The military was not neglected in the modernisation drive. The Navy is the latest beneficiary of Germany's economic prosperity, with the addition of more modern, powerful ships to the fleet; the so-called "Schlachtschiff", or Battleship.
Germany watched nervously as events in Russia came to a head. To the cheers of German communists, the Russian imperial government fell and was replaced by the "worker's state" of the Soviet Union. However, the civil war soon escalated into a wider war, as a coalition led by France declared war on the fledging communist state. Germany was in an unenviable position in between the warring parties as the controller of the Kattegat, the strait that connects the North Sea to the Baltic Sea, the gateway to the Russian capital. Influenced by lobbying from both the communists, who don't want to see the Soviet government fall, and the nationalists, who fears "Accordian encirclement", the government decided to close the strait to anti-Soviet coalition forces. Anxious to maintain its neutrality, the authorities closed the strait to the Soviets, too. However, all neutral nations are still allowed to freely access the strait.
The newly-modernised German Navy in the Baltic Sea
German physicist Max Planck, pioneer of quantum mechanics
The German government has been quick to recognise the genius of its scientists, providing large grants to support universities and other research institutions around the country. Germany recognises that current industrial practices are still inefficient and labour-intensive, and new technologies are important to modernise industry and ensure that Germany does not fall behind the rest of the world.
Chancellor August Bebel new pet project is the electrification of the country. Electricity has long been hailed as the "key to the future" by prominient industrialists and statesmen. Most major cities now enjoy electric lights and a growing range of electric appliances; the challenge is now to expand the grid to the smaller towns and the countryside. The Slavic genius Nikola Tesla has been instrumental in this effort; employed by the national German electricity company, he has designed a national electricity grid based on alternative current.
Slavic scientist Nikola Tesla, pioneer of AC generation, relaxing in his lab near Vienna
The military was not neglected in the modernisation drive. The Navy is the latest beneficiary of Germany's economic prosperity, with the addition of more modern, powerful ships to the fleet; the so-called "Schlachtschiff", or Battleship.
Germany watched nervously as events in Russia came to a head. To the cheers of German communists, the Russian imperial government fell and was replaced by the "worker's state" of the Soviet Union. However, the civil war soon escalated into a wider war, as a coalition led by France declared war on the fledging communist state. Germany was in an unenviable position in between the warring parties as the controller of the Kattegat, the strait that connects the North Sea to the Baltic Sea, the gateway to the Russian capital. Influenced by lobbying from both the communists, who don't want to see the Soviet government fall, and the nationalists, who fears "Accordian encirclement", the government decided to close the strait to anti-Soviet coalition forces. Anxious to maintain its neutrality, the authorities closed the strait to the Soviets, too. However, all neutral nations are still allowed to freely access the strait.
The newly-modernised German Navy in the Baltic Sea
FRANCE
Before the first units began shipping off to Russia, President Armand Fallieres ordered Marshall Foch to organize the armed forces. The army would soon be organized into a system of Theaters, Army Groups, Armies, Corps, Divisions, Brigades, and Companies. Each infantry division was assigned with an Artillery Regiment, as well as an Engineer Regiment for constructing trenches, as well as bridges and other tools of war. Each division would also have 3 Infantry Brigades. Of course, different divisions have been organized differently for offensive and defensive action in other terrain, where artillery would not be useful.
arya126
Squad Leader
Greece
32 IC
10 IC to stability
22 IC into 11 factories
Is nobody reading my stories?
32 IC
10 IC to stability
22 IC into 11 factories
Is nobody reading my stories?
kiwitt
Road to War Modder
GM: I am ... and the good cultural points they are earning now too! 
Just over 12 hours to orders lock !!!
Just over 12 hours to orders lock !!!
Mango Elephant
Deity
Southern Han -
All IC into factories in Shanghai and Ceylon.
All IC into factories in Shanghai and Ceylon.
arya126
Squad Leader
I WILL win a cultural victory!
I think there are only 1 or 2 hours until lock for orders.
I think there are only 1 or 2 hours until lock for orders.
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