Iron and Blood - Game Thread

[Joecoolyo]

I have already given up my non-African holdings...

Would you have given it up hadn't we declared war?

 

[BSmith1068]

Possibly. If you had come to me diplomatically and stated your concerns I could have assuaged them. But you chose to go ballistic up front.

It's not too late to end the war...

 

[Joecoolyo]

Possibly. If you had come to me diplomatically and stated your concerns I could have assuaged them. But you chose to go ballistic up front.

You would have willingly knocked yourself out of competition for an IC victory? I doubt that (though it would have been incredibly noble if you did).

It's not too late to end the war...

Why are you asking for an end to this war?

 

[hoplitejoe]

As for my IC, my IC is closer to average than the 700 Swaziland is sporting.

Before we take this out of the thread i would like to ask once more:
How do you explain DoWing France for having too much IC when you have only 15 less and a higher max?
And I am still neutral, I am just pointing out what I see as very poor logic also please don't start talking about Swazi as they were not who the question was about.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Before we take this out of the thread i would like to ask once more:
How do you explain DoWing France for having too much IC when you have only 15 less and a higher max?
And I am still neutral, I am just pointing out what I see as very poor logic also please don't start talking about Swazi as they were not who the question was about.

Because combined with the Swazi IC and the late Sairose, they were an extreme threat to the world in sheer IC. Of course, events in the past years haven't unfolded exactly in their favor, which may make this seem a lot more one-sided than it actually was.

 

[kiwitt]

The Declaration of War on France and Swaziland has taken the world by surprise and the papers of the world are full of stories and conspiracy theories.

The world was watching the slow demise of the communist threat - U.S.S.R., when out of the blue came a declaration of war by many nations. There was no hint that this would ever happen.

It would seem their leaders were acting behind closed doors cooking up war plans, with no consideration of the impact it would have on civilians. Many are now taking to the streets.

Worse still are the former nations of L'Accord, who seeming back-stabbed their allies, as opposed to seeking a peaceful solution in their diplomatic group. In addition, Librulstan not discussing options with its fellow sponsor in the league France, it people are also affected.

All this combined will have a significant impact on the nations involved, regardless of subsequent negotiations and hostilities.

GM: Here are the impacts of this event on the Nations stability this turn.

All nations of the world will now suffer a 50% chance of a general 10% stability drop, to reflect the general unease in the world, by this declaration of war.

The nations who are part of this declaration will also suffer a 50% chance of an additional 10% stability drop, because of the manner in which their governments changed and had this declaration formed "secretly behind closed doors", as no hint had being given to its citizens of what was coming.

The Nations of Southern Han and Xi'an, will suffer a 50% chance for an additional 10% stability drop for breeching their partial alliance partners in L'Accord. Librulstan will also suffer a 50% chance for an additional 10% stability drop for breaching the terms of the Canadian League. Remaining members of L'Accord and Canadian League will also suffer a 25% chance of additional stability drop, because of the actions of its former allies.

Lastly Siam as a full member will suffer a 50% chance for an additional 10% stability drop as it was a full member of L'Accord.*

* Open to appeal in the International Court of Justice - If Siam requests it.

These are in accordance with the rules.

Publicly acknowledged or accepted breaches of any Alliances, Non-Aggression Pacts or Treaties and any changes of Government will be as follows;

Penalties

50% chance loss of stability in the turn
25% the next turn
10% the following turn

Penalties for allies

25% chance of loss of stability in the turn of the violation
10% the next turn

These are cumulative. So if you exceed 100%, you will go down automatically and the chance to go down further will be what you are over 100%. (e.g. if you have 125% you will fall down one level and 25% chance falling down another level)

War has consequences, and breaches of Alliance Terms even more so.

In Summary these will take effect this turn, the next turn, the following turn;

Chances of a stability drop, to be added in each turn
Australia: 100% (50+50), 50% (25+25), 20% (10+10)
Bosnia: 75% (50+25), 35% (25+10), 10%
California: 100% (50+50), 50% (25+25), 20% (10+10)
Canada: 75% (50+25), 35% (25+10), 10%
Medina: 75% (50+25), 35% (25+10), 10%
C.S.A.: 100% (50+50), 50% (25+25), 20% (10+10)
France: 75% (50+25), 35% (25+10), 10%
Germany: 100% (50+50), 50% (25+25), 20% (10+10)
Librulstan: 150% (50+50+50), 75% (25+25+25), 20% (10+10)
Ethiopia: 50%, 25%, 10%
Siam: 200% (50+50+50+50), 100% (25+25+25+25), 40% (10+10+10+10)
Southern Han: 150% (50+50+50), 75% (25+25+25), 30% (10+10+10)
Spain: 50%, 25%, 10%
Swaziland: 75% (50+25), 35% (25+10), 10%
Tawantinsuyo: 50%, 25%, 10%
Texas: 100% (50+50), 50% (25+25), 20% (10+10)
Xi'an: 150% (50+50+50), 75% (25+25+25), 30% (10+10+10)
Gran Columbia: 100% (50+50), 50% (25+25), 20% (10+10)
U.S.S.R.: 100% (50+50), 50% (25+25), 20% (10+10)
Greece: 50%, 25%, 10%
Libya: 100% (50+50), 50% (25+25), 20% (10+10)
Turkey: 50%, 25%, 10%
Switzerland: 50%, 25%, 10%

NOTE: If you have over 100%, you automatically go down a level, and whatever you have over is your chance of going down in that turn as well.

 

[choxorn]

You know, I think I've changed my mind about not trying to improve my stability with those missionaries. Orders Updated.

Swaziland, while it's true that we did a lot of espionage on you last turn, that's only because we caught you performing a lot of espionage on all of us.

And yes, Xi'an has a lot of IC, and for that matter, so does Siam. Perhaps something could be done to limit that if you'd agree to give up some of your IC- maybe giving something to Medina or Southern Han, or something- but you have more than 700, so I think we can justifiably say that you have nothing to complain about here.

 

[BSmith1068]

You know, I think I've changed my mind about not trying to improve my stability with those missionaries. Orders Updated.

Swaziland, while it's true that we did a lot of espionage on you last turn, that's only because we caught you performing a lot of espionage on all of us.

And yes, Xi'an has a lot of IC, and for that matter, so does Siam. Perhaps something could be done to limit that if you'd agree to give up some of your IC- maybe giving something to Medina or Southern Han, or something- but you have more than 700, so I think we can justifiably say that you have nothing to complain about here.

Harmless things like EP checks and trying to see your plans. You guys were doing hardcore stuff like fomenting revolts, trying to lower my stability and steal military designs. Hardly the same.

And I have already agreed to give up 50% of my territory. So, yeah… I have agreed to give up some of my IC. A lot of it.

 

[GamezRule]

As we have explained, please see Xi'an for the true imperialists they are, before it is too late. Every single territory I have has been coming to defense of an ally or the alliance in general. Xi'an can't say that.

 

[arya126]

Kiwitt, why is Greece given such a damnably big stability drop? We are not apart of any alliance, merely a vassal of Swaziland, and is not involved in these events for the most part.

More later.

 

[GamezRule]

Not to butt in but over half of your current territory is revolting.

 

[choxorn]

And it's nothing compared to Siam, or Xi'an, or me.

 

[GamezRule]

You did walk into it, though. Just sayin.

 

[Red_Spy]

Kiwitt, why is Greece given such a damnably big stability drop? We are not apart of any alliance, merely a vassal of Swaziland, and is not involved in these events for the most part.

More later.

Meanwhile, Greece has had another civil war, perhaps stoked by outside nations and on top of that its two kings have been assassinated, leading to further turmoil.

This?

 

[Joecoolyo]

As we have explained, please see Xi'an for the true imperialists they are, before it is too late. Every single territory I have has been coming to defense of an ally or the alliance in general. Xi'an can't say that.

>mfw war with Germany

 

[GamezRule]

Which I ended right away and never actually attacked them? Your point? It was an (admittedly stupid) elaborate RP move. The new government tried to be friendly to Germany, but they made it impossible.

I should also note that some of the Swazis first espionage attacks on the UNA were actually egged on and openly supported by the ATK.

 

[arya126]

Um...you guys realize im talking about the stability drops in the red post above, not the update? And I would thank you NOT to answer for the GM. I was not asking any of you. I was actually asking why I get a stability drop related to this series of events. My domestic events are not part of this, and quite frankly, none of your damned business.

 

[kiwitt]

GM: The 50% chance of a stability drop is what I have given to all nations (Including Switzerland!!!), due to general anxiety about World affairs, and this anxiety reduces to 25% and 10% over the next turns. You can reduce these chances by spending on stability as always.

NOTE: For those who don't know, a Stability drop is a drop of 10%.

 

[choxorn]

Just to ask, what effect does my choice for the Missionaries event (+50% stability increase chance) have on this?

 

[kiwitt]

GM: The effect is immediate - I do ask that you PM me questions. To avoid cluttering up the thread with OOC.