Iron and Blood - Game Thread
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arya126
Squad Leader
Its been 2 days for a long while hasnt it? He said there is a NEW cutoff. Where has he posted when the cutoff is?
You never did anything. We considered our vassalage to be broken the moment you refused to help us protect our islands.
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
He means its a cutoff for new declarations, not a new cutoff.
And for good reason. You received 45 IC from selling half your land and factories to Australia, but you never spent a single coin on industrializing. The blind can see your failure of all things fiscal.
arya126
Squad Leader
How could I industrialize with it, when all that would do would be to give California more factories? I needed to use it towards the war effort. if I had spent even a little of it towards industry, I would have lost the islands that much quicker.
kiwitt
Road to War Modder
GM: DoW post updated and clarified
Apologies if details were not clear in the initial post as I had go to out briefly, but I had to post the DoW cut-off notice on time.
Apologies if details were not clear in the initial post as I had go to out briefly, but I had to post the DoW cut-off notice on time.
kiwitt
Road to War Modder
GM: Correct.
However not the entire ATK declared war on Boj China as only Xi'an posted and I received no confirmations from the others he mentioned. i.e. as stated earlier, I can not accept DoWs on behalf of others, each nation has to act on their own.
However not the entire ATK declared war on Boj China as only Xi'an posted and I received no confirmations from the others he mentioned. i.e. as stated earlier, I can not accept DoWs on behalf of others, each nation has to act on their own.
kiwitt
Road to War Modder
GM: Correct - but not Boj China.
Really, though. I can supply screencaps of us consenting to Joe's awesome DoW if you want. That rule is to prevent surprise attacks, and shouldn't be enforced like everything (short of defensive pacts) after 2 days is a surprise attack.
kiwitt
Road to War Modder
GM: No the rule is to prevent other players acting on behalf of other players. I have been consistent on this so far in this game. Players need to act individually ... i.e. other players can not do the diplomacy (which a DoW is) for players. ... (also I know about your screen cap capability)
bestrfcplayer
Steppin' up!
Orders have been changed yet again.
Mango Elephant
Deity
Southern Han - Declare war on Peru.
It was with a heavy heart that King Mswati reviewed the world political situation. Just when his grand industrialization projects designed to develop all of the diverse territories of the Kingdom was about to be placed into full effect, one of his allies had been attacked.
The King had been watching the rise of communism with great concern. He knew that one day the communist nations would be in direct conflict with his great and glorious kingdom. He had hoped that that day would be many years in the future, or that perhaps it wouldn’t come at all.
But it had arrived much sooner than expected.
The good news was that the army was ready. Ever since putting down the Zulu insurrection with the new machine guns, his generals had been itching for another occasion to use them. And use them they shall, for The Kingdom of Swaziland declares war on Tawantinsuyo in response to their declaration against Swaziland’s strong ally Siam.
arya126
Squad Leader
You know what? This situation in particular shows just how messed up this system is. The ATK declared war on Boj China, but due to a technicality, only one member can actually attack. Then when peru goes to respond to an attack on its ally by which it should not be able to be attacked for in turn and says ATK (which was what Xian said when he declared war on Boj china, so how could red know that only Xian was technically participating?) hes automatically at war with all 3 members, even though only one of them is attacking his ally.
This goes to show how stuck on the phases you are. Just because we are in the first phase doesnt mean that only 'new' declarations should be able to made. Thats like saying countries have to wait 2 months before they can declare war on a country who attacked their ally. Peru's declaration was OBVIOUSLY not a 'new' one. It was made in response to Xian saying that the ATK is at war with peru's ally, Boj China. So the way I see it, if there are two reasonable outcomes for this, neither of which is the current outcome you have posted:
1. Xian is at war with Boj china, Peru is at war with Xian in response, nobody else can officially join the war due to Peru's declaration technically being a phase 2 type of declaration.
2. The whole ATK is at war with Boj China, Peru is at war with the whole ATK. Nobody else, like Swaziland can join in.
The part about nobody else being able to go to war with Peru or Boj China after that is because Peru's declaration was in response to the whole ATK supposedly attacking Boj China (even though only Xian was due to your technicality, and so Peru accidentally declared war on the others as well). Response declarations cannot be responded to with another declaration, as is the whole point of your 'phase two' correct?
Its stupid however to restrict responses to the 48 hours AFTER original declarations. Does it really matter WHEN the response declaration is made, as long as it is in response to the original one and still within the overall DoW period?
This goes to show how stuck on the phases you are. Just because we are in the first phase doesnt mean that only 'new' declarations should be able to made. Thats like saying countries have to wait 2 months before they can declare war on a country who attacked their ally. Peru's declaration was OBVIOUSLY not a 'new' one. It was made in response to Xian saying that the ATK is at war with peru's ally, Boj China. So the way I see it, if there are two reasonable outcomes for this, neither of which is the current outcome you have posted:
1. Xian is at war with Boj china, Peru is at war with Xian in response, nobody else can officially join the war due to Peru's declaration technically being a phase 2 type of declaration.
2. The whole ATK is at war with Boj China, Peru is at war with the whole ATK. Nobody else, like Swaziland can join in.
The part about nobody else being able to go to war with Peru or Boj China after that is because Peru's declaration was in response to the whole ATK supposedly attacking Boj China (even though only Xian was due to your technicality, and so Peru accidentally declared war on the others as well). Response declarations cannot be responded to with another declaration, as is the whole point of your 'phase two' correct?
Its stupid however to restrict responses to the 48 hours AFTER original declarations. Does it really matter WHEN the response declaration is made, as long as it is in response to the original one and still within the overall DoW period?
Tecknojock
Keeping the world running
I'm going to have to side with Arya on this point. Peru's DOW was specifically a response DOW against Xian and the other two (Whom he thought were in the war but arn't due to a technicallity). It wasn't a new declaraytion of war, but rather one in support of Boj China. It should just be Peru and Boj China VS Xian this turn, and all the others can join in next turn when the New DOW's open up.
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
I never publicly posted my consent to the Treaty of Delhi, but you accepted it and turned over Sindh for me.
Wait what? This is outrageous! I declared war with the intent that my entire alliance was going to declare war too. You don't let my alliance members in, yet you allow someone else, who's not even allied with Boj China (who has no allies as of now) declare war on me, and then give more time for all their allies to declare war too?!? WHAT? What the hell? Either extreme GM bias is involved here (I wouldn't be surprise if that's the answer) or something is extremely screwed up with the game mechanics.
This is supposed to be in place to prevent sneak attacks, right? It's not much a sneak attack when I announce all the members of my alliance are going to goddamn attack. And what's so bad about other players posting on behalf of other players? Especially when we're all agreed on the matter. You're just complicating things needlessly and in fact ruining this entire system. I still don't see why Peru gets an extension yet my allies don't, especially when he's not an ally of Boj China, and was merely doing a reaction DOW. Seriously, in fact, I'm going to PM you about this, since this goes much deeper than you actually know kiwitt.
Doesn't help when I don't have the IC support to begin with.
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