Is Being Gay a Choice, Not a Choice, or both.

[erez87]

So you say all gay porn stars are gay? Their having sex. Yet most of them are straight.

And humiliation can be in a closed cell by a few people onto one. Thats probably how it's done most of the time. They don't want others to see, they want that guy to be scared.


And may I remind that physically gays can have sex with girls. They aren't easily aroused by them, but a horny guy will even have sex with his dog, a dolphin and many other animals and things... So instead of the Police dog, they do it with the guy in the cell. Normally either enjoys the body of the other (unless one is really gay) only the movement. (Doesn't take a lot to make a man enjoy physically).

 

[Adamb0mb]

So you say all gay porn stars are gay? Their having sex. Yet most of them are straight.

Nope, I've addressed the idea of straight men having sex with men for money or because of force a few times now:

I think it is pretty much agreed that engaging in sexual acts with members of the same sex does not automatically make you gay. A straight man can be forced (rape) or compensated (prostitution) for performing sex with other men and not necessarily be gay.

a horny guy will even have sex with his dog, a dolphin and many other animals and things...

o rly? Personaly, I'd rather be like Mike and beat it.

 

[erez87]

You sure about that? I'm not so... thought that depends if you had sex in the past or not.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

o rly? Personaly, I'd rather be like Mike and beat it.

Do you have a handfetish?

If not, why do you use your hand?

 

[Adamb0mb]

Do you have a handfetish?

If not, why do you use your hand?

nice.

For me, it's a matter of my sexuality. To this day my sexual needs are fulfulled completely by women and me. Guess that makes me bisuexual - heterosexual/asexual.

Although if I was stuck in a box for 20 years I could probably train my mind to like the menfolk, just like I trained my mind to like beer and tomatoes.

edit:

You sure about that? I'm not so... thought that depends if you had sex in the past or not.

Damn! I already used the 'lol' smiley above.

Are you questioning my sexual prowess on the nerd [Civilization Fanatics] forum? Not that any prowess or claim thereof is required or an indication of truth here; but I have been there, done that, doing it, and plan to do it again!

 

[erez87]

Well, so if you say it's a choice, prove it. Choose it. After all, if it's a choice anyway why not choose it?

Are you questioning my sexual prowess on the nerd [Civilization Fanatics] forum? Not that any prowess or claim thereof is required or an indication of truth here; but I have been there, done that, doing it, and plan to do it again!

What makes you think most people here didn't? I think they did... Most anyway some of the people here are kids after all.

 

[Adamb0mb]

Well, so if you say it's a choice, prove it. Choose it. After all, if it's a choice anyway why not choose it?

Okay, I did. I just did. Inspired by your post I gave up a life of satisfying women and now I please men.

What makes you think most people here didn't? I think they did... Most anyway some of the people here are kids after all.

I would assume most people didn't. I would expect most people to think: Adamb0mb is a moron, Adamb0mb is right, Adamb0mb makes a good argument, or I've read better arguments in my nightmares. I highly doubt many if any people thought: I wonder how much puss Adamb0mb gets.

 

[erez87]

lol. never mind about that second thing. Oh and you will be suprised how many people here probably do think that...





And I mean really, after all a man knows what a man likes the most... So why even be straight? If it's not a must that it's a foolish choice... Not like I can't have children later in my life.

And I really mean that... If it wasn't something your born with (and the world wouldn't hate us so much) being gay would sexually, and fun-wise would be better.

 

[Adamb0mb]

I mean really, after all a man knows what a man likes the most... So why even be straight?

I have my reasons, but don't let me intrude on your lifestyle.

 

[erez87]

What are your reasons? If it's choice, I really want to know what made you choose girls.

 

[IglooDame]

Perhaps our natural attraction to women comes from breast feeding or being comforted by mothers as infants? Pretty sure it isn't born that way.

As someone else noted, breastfeeding and being comforted by mothers as infants aren't activities restricted to only male babies.

I've mulled this question over for a while and have come to the following tentative conclusion: Everyone falls somewhere on the gender-preference spectrum based on genetics/prenatal hormonal environment, from 100% preferring males to 100% preferring females. There are very few 100%'s on either end, and there are very few true 50-50 types. It might even be that females tend to be evenly distributed on the spectrum where males tend to lump up at either end.

Now, I've seen phobias effectively cured. I've seen "hard limits" become soft limits, then occasional activities, then practically hobbies. I've seen people get sexually excited and/or orgasm literally on purely verbal command. I've seen the power of coordinated advertising campaigns that change folks' opinions on things without them ever realizing it. The subconscious has a huge amount of power over our conscious minds. So while some male might start out being (say) 90-10 preferring males, social conditioning (read: pervasive long-term brainwashing) could conceivably push them to change it to consciously prefer females 90-10. Now obviously, gender preference is a pretty deeply rooted "choice", and wouldn't be casually changed, granted. But some people are more susceptible to such pressure than others, and some might be starting out 60-40 rather than 90-10.

And in that context, it certainly would be more likely to be able to adjust a primarily homosexual orientation to a primarily heterosexual one, particularly in a strongly pro-heterosexual environment such as a Christian churchgoing one. Likewise, a female (for whom the pro-heterosexual environment is generally more benign or even overtly pro-bisexual) might find it very easy to go from 90-10 hetero to nearly 50-50.

 

[Mirc]

As someone else noted, breastfeeding and being comforted by mothers as infants aren't activities restricted to only male babies.

But ever wondered where the pleasure of putting a penis into your mouth comes from? Why would that be different? What people don't seem to understand is that we (straight people) are attracted to whatever our gender does NOT have (apart from other reasons of attraction, of course), be it hairy legs, genitals, breasts, hip shape, body shape, etc. The fact that men are more attracted by breasts than women does not mean that attraction towards breasts doesn't come from breastfeeding - it simply means it's much more likely to see a straight man attracted to something solely female than a female attracted to the same thing.

 

[classical_hero]

Don't forgett that all women are actually bisexual as a result of breast feeding. But what about those that were feed off the bottle? Does that mean they like toys instead?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

We're attracted to the things everybody makes a fuss over.

Tribes in Africa have women walking around halfnekked and no guy seems to notice. It's mostly cultural.

 

[IglooDame]

But ever wondered where the pleasure of putting a penis into your mouth comes from? Why would that be different? What people don't seem to understand is that we (straight people) are attracted to whatever our gender does NOT have (apart from other reasons of attraction, of course), be it hairy legs, genitals, breasts, hip shape, body shape, etc. The fact that men are more attracted by breasts than women does not mean that attraction towards breasts doesn't come from breastfeeding - it simply means it's much more likely to see a straight man attracted to something solely female than a female attracted to the same thing.

Ummm... I agree. Though some people are actually attracted to androgynous people. The human brain is a funny thing, we really ought to get to the bottom of it.

 

[Mirc]

Don't forgett that all women are actually bisexual as a result of breast feeding. But what about those that were feed off the bottle? Does that mean they like toys instead?

It's way too implemented in our instincts - if you're going to feed a person off the bottle, it will still be something that the baby perceives as a breast - through the same mechanism that they know where breasts are and don't need to be taught by their mothers.

Ummm... I agree. Though some people are actually attracted to androgynous people. The human brain is a funny thing, we really ought to get to the bottom of it.

I agree too.

 

[erez87]

It will be hard to do without some hard cold on-human experiments.. Are you guys Ok with those?


And can a straight guy who "chose" to be straight tell me what were his reasons? Who knows... Maybe they will be good enough for me!

 

[warpus]

Nope, still not getting it.

I can see how being locked in a box could be quite infuriating. I can also see how some men locked in such a box with no women in sight could enjoy having sex with other men.

I don't see how men choosing to have sex with other men for the sake of pleasure isn't gay.

Because being gay doesn't mean having sex with members of the same sex - you can do that when you're straight.

Being gay means being attracted to members of the same sex. There's a difference.

I argue that it is the enjoyment of such activities (regardless of situation) that determine whether a man is gay/bi or straight.

Well, what do you mean by "enjoy" ? Do you know what attraction is? You can have sex with a blow-up doll and enjoy it without being attracted to blow-up dolls.

 

[Angst]

Sounds pretty gay to me.

But then at least these men in prison have chosen to be bisexual (love their wives at home and have sex with their prison boyfriends).

Slightly different interpretation but same result: there is an element of choice in one's sexuality.

Kapeesh?

You make it sound like they choose their sexuality. No.

An action is not a choice in that way - if I sleep with a guy fx I don't have to be gay. It's just that simple. They don't choose their sexuality. It. Can. Not. Be. Chosen. It is something you are given in some way, maybe something genetically, maybe something by upraising as somebody mentioned, but you do not choose it. It's something you're made already some way.

Also, dr. Kinsey (I think his name was Kinsey) stated sometime that most humans had a tiny bit of attraction their own sex. In jail, where your own sex is the only sex around, some people will succumb to that attraction. So that isn't gay, but bi at least, which you still haven't chosen to be yourself.

 

[Angst]

Well, what do you mean by "enjoy" ? Do you know what attraction is? You can have sex with a blow-up doll and enjoy it without being attracted to blow-up dolls.

Good point.