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Maybe you don't — if you say so — but you certainly seem inclined to instantly believe any damn unflattering claim made about it.I don't hate Europe and neither do most of those others who voted Leave.
Maybe you don't — if you say so — but you certainly seem inclined to instantly believe any damn unflattering claim made about it.I don't hate Europe and neither do most of those others who voted Leave.
Arakhor; I don't hate Europe and neither do most of those others who voted Leave.
No, that's ANOTHER myth about the EU.
The EU at an aggregate level CANNOT provide citizenship. You're either a citizen of a member state, or no citizen at all. And if anyone offers you a non-national EU citizenship, don't pay, it's a scam. (It's why Malta has made it a business to sell Maltese citizenships internationally. And funnily enough — considering the crap-storm kicked up over immigration by Hungary — so does Hungary. It costs you €250k, so it's not for everybody of course. But that's the apparently Hungarian going rate for dumping on its own principles.)
But any idea about a general non-national EU citizenship it is a myth consistent with the idea that the EU is something other that it is, which is a union of sovereign nation states that have clubbed together. It's a myth that goes directly to the root of sovereignty, IF the EU could even do a thing like that. Which is why that particular myth it's floated as a Real Thing.
The truth of international politics is that we all still have no rights and freedoms that are now provided by our respective states. The EU can only do so by extension of national sovereignty in cooperation between member states. If you have no national citizenship, in your own country you might by courtesy get freedoms and protections extended to you, but internationally you are a non-person, with no real rights.
Because they're technically selling Hungarian/Maltan (Maltese ?) citizenship
If I can be called out on allegedly histrionic posts, why can't I do the same? I'm not the one suggesting that pro-EU pro-indy Scots are simply lying to themselves and others.Where are all the pot/kettle gifs when you need one.
One would think so, but they're sovereign and so can do pretty much what they like with how citizenship is parsed. No one has raised the issue, and the countries doing certainly would seem un-inclined to do so (they tend to be able to stop such initiatives).Ehm, wait. How the hell can there be no sanctions against a country for selling EU citizenship? That is nothing short of ludicrous and unethical.
One would think so, but they're sovereign and so can do pretty much what they like with how citizenship is parsed.
TBH other than Czech republic (and i used to think Poland too), the rest shouldn't have been allowed in.You sound like those who think that the Greek crisis proves that Greece shouldn't have been accepted either

Well, after the core six, the UK, Ireland and Denmark.
If Greece had tried to join in the Noughties, they clearly shouldn't have been allowed to do so, but it's easier just to point fingers and blame Brussels or Berlin, right?

I'm as European as you, mate.![]()

Accepted by whom? We are one of the oldest members of this union fyi. Besides, if we weren't in how could the germans and french sell us all those weapons and cars.
Ehm, wait. How the hell can there be no sanctions against a country for selling EU citizenship? That is nothing short of ludicrous and unethical.
If you like, replace Greek with British throughout.