Is Britain about to leave the EU?

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I don't hate Europe and neither do most of those others who voted Leave.
Maybe you don't — if you say so — but you certainly seem inclined to instantly believe any damn unflattering claim made about it.
 
Arakhor; I don't hate Europe and neither do most of those others who voted Leave.

So why make such histrionic posts such as the one I quoted previously?
 
No, that's ANOTHER myth about the EU.

The EU at an aggregate level CANNOT provide citizenship. You're either a citizen of a member state, or no citizen at all. And if anyone offers you a non-national EU citizenship, don't pay, it's a scam. (It's why Malta has made it a business to sell Maltese citizenships internationally. And funnily enough — considering the crap-storm kicked up over immigration by Hungary — so does Hungary. It costs you €250k, so it's not for everybody of course. But that's the apparently Hungarian going rate for dumping on its own principles.)

But any idea about a general non-national EU citizenship it is a myth consistent with the idea that the EU is something other that it is, which is a union of sovereign nation states that have clubbed together. It's a myth that goes directly to the root of sovereignty, IF the EU could even do a thing like that. Which is why that particular myth it's floated as a Real Thing.

The truth of international politics is that we all still have no rights and freedoms that are now provided by our respective states. The EU can only do so by extension of national sovereignty in cooperation between member states. If you have no national citizenship, in your own country you might by courtesy get freedoms and protections extended to you, but internationally you are a non-person, with no real rights.

Ehm, wait. How the hell can there be no sanctions against a country for selling EU citizenship? That is nothing short of ludicrous and unethical.
 
Because they're technically selling Hungarian/Maltan (Maltese ?) citizenship. And the EU, not being a federation, can't stop them
 
Because they're technically selling Hungarian/Maltan (Maltese ?) citizenship

And? Obviously the people buy it not due to wanting to live in Hungary or Malta. Selling a passport to the whole EU should not be something one country can opt to do for money for its own self. And the easiest solution to such would be to legislate than any money gained through this go to an EU fund or go to all countries.
 
Where are all the pot/kettle gifs when you need one.
If I can be called out on allegedly histrionic posts, why can't I do the same? I'm not the one suggesting that pro-EU pro-indy Scots are simply lying to themselves and others.
 
Ehm, wait. How the hell can there be no sanctions against a country for selling EU citizenship? That is nothing short of ludicrous and unethical.
One would think so, but they're sovereign and so can do pretty much what they like with how citizenship is parsed. No one has raised the issue, and the countries doing certainly would seem un-inclined to do so (they tend to be able to stop such initiatives).

The EU member state ARE sovereign relative each other in almost all respects still. The bits that have been negotiated to be put up for common arbitration within the groups aren't THAT many after all.
 
One would think so, but they're sovereign and so can do pretty much what they like with how citizenship is parsed.

Not when what they are selling is not citizenship to their own realm only, but the entire EU. And Hungary is a rather glaring example of those post 2003 EU countries which never should have been in the union.
Along with the baltic ones, Slovakia, probably also Slovenia. Croatia is a nice tough too, of course :) TBH other than Czech republic (and i used to think Poland too), the rest shouldn't have been allowed in.
 
You sound like those who think that the Greek crisis proves that Greece shouldn't have been accepted either
 
Well, after the core six, the UK, Ireland and Denmark. :p

If Greece had tried to join in the Noughties, they clearly shouldn't have been allowed to do so, but it's easier just to point fingers and blame Brussels or Berlin, right?
 
Well, after the core six, the UK, Ireland and Denmark. :p

If Greece had tried to join in the Noughties, they clearly shouldn't have been allowed to do so, but it's easier just to point fingers and blame Brussels or Berlin, right?

The treaties were made and passed in the mid 70s. 1981 is just the official time of becoming EU member.

And more importantly, why do you keep posting in a thread about a union you don't belong to anyway? :satan:
 
I'm as European as you, mate. :p
 
Are you sure about that? You are Greek, after all. :mischief:
 
Accepted by whom? We are one of the oldest members of this union fyi. Besides, if we weren't in how could the germans and french sell us all those weapons and cars.

We sell weapons in quantity to many non-EU countries. Serge Dassault doesn't care who you are as long as he can sell you stuff
 
Ehm, wait. How the hell can there be no sanctions against a country for selling EU citizenship? That is nothing short of ludicrous and unethical.

Quite but consider finding the variables for A x B = C

where A is cost of buying Greek Citzenship
where B is required number of customers
C is the total value of Greek Debt (plus one way train tickets from Greece to Berlin).

If you like, replace Greek with British throughout.
 
If you like, replace Greek with British throughout.

I thought that the usual refrain was that foreign undesirables were getting passports to come to Britain, not the reverse.
 
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