EnglishEdward
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If you want to pretend overseas USA conquests are independent, the laughs are on you.
Is Britain about to leave the EU?
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If you want to pretend overseas USA conquests are independent, the laughs are on you.
Do you actually know any Grenadans or do you just hate the US? Blithely asserting that a short-lived invasion 25 years ago means that the country is still being actively controlled by the invader in defiance of any quickly-available information is frankly ludicrous. Feel free to show me anything that supports your hypothesis.
Cigarette smuggling has a European dimension now - they are much cheaper in the east.
Diesel washing and smuggling is a problem and is being run by ex IRA leaders.
But the illegitimate activities are a fraction of the legitimate business - I have four litres of northern Irish milk in my fridge (Aldi branded) - I can't imagine it will be easy or cheap to import the same into the European Union.
Tax is a tricky one - it could be a double edged sword for the UK.
Any thoughts about the people?
Do they matter?
More like 33...
Mark Reckless (conservative turned UKIP) (mother Irish - her father was a politician here) was just making a pitch for the Irish vote saying there would be less competition for Irish workers in Britain.
Divide and conquer - a smart pitch I thought.
Irish radio panel discussion with Ken Livingston and Jenny Jones and a few others.
Divide and conquer - a smart pitch I thought.
Irish radio panel discussion with Ken Livingston and Jenny Jones and a few others.
HAND
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Wolfgang Schäuble: No single market access for UK after Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ss-for-uk-after-brexit-wolfgang-schauble-says
Is Schäuble threatening the British in 2016 in a similar vein as he did with the Greeks in 2015? It may not be a wise strategy.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ss-for-uk-after-brexit-wolfgang-schauble-says
Is Schäuble threatening the British in 2016 in a similar vein as he did with the Greeks in 2015? It may not be a wise strategy.
EnglishEdward
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First off, congratulations on being (if I have not scanned through too fast) the first
poster here to spot and properly raise a genuine issue that would arise from Brexit.
I have known about this complication for several months, but thought I would wait
until someone here pointed out which was not until page 47 of this thread.
(Needless to say the mpressive UK national Remain serf likes failed to raise it).
Second, I am the first to agree that there is a lot of hypocrisy. UK politicians are often
the first to criticise tax arrangements involving Ireland or Luxembourg, but very quick
to defend the similar arrangements with the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.
For what it is worth I believe that such tax havens benefit only the accountants and the
wealth elite being of no value to John Bull public himself. They should be abolished.
There should in my opinion be a standard structure and rate of tax on corporation
profits/turnover within the UK and the local Crown dependencies OR in the event of
Remain, being successful, a standard rate of tax across the EU. If regional EU
governments (e.g. Scotland) wish to add a small increment that should be allowed.
There are no simple cost free solutions. Regarding Aldi milk, I thought you had plenty
of cows in Eire. If I recall correctly there was time when the now defunct UK milk
marketing board was paying Irish farmers more for milk than it paid UK farmers.
A brexited UK would not compel the EU to put an input tariff on milk from Northern
Ireland. I can think of many solutions varying from IRExit (raising my red flag here) to
Aldi programming their tills to apply a different rate of tax according to whether a UK or
Eire credit card is used to pay. In practice I suspect that the communities north and
south of the border would benefit by getting the best of both worlds. I understand
that this happens already near the Belgium-France border where shoppers nip across
to buy cheaper and similarly in the USA where local sales taxes vary by sate and for
some sates even by county. There was free movement of people between Eire and
the UK long before those countries joined the EEC. This would likely not change at all.
I rather think that this would only be a significant problem if significant goods or people
were to be smuggled to the UK from Eire via the border with Northern Ireland.
Schäuble is a one-trick misanthropic pony (or rather debt horse), so no surprise there. Question is why he made the statement. Cause it will be a tough sell as a "do this OR ELSE". Maybe they identify the poll as going to Leave, and wish to make it even more obvious it shall get there.
Any Queen sighting yet? Where is her "we must not risk going out of the EU" and so on?
EnglishEdward
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This is indeed certainly arguable.
However I would beg to differ on the exact date.
The USA did not inhibit Clement Attlee's government in nationalising Coal,
Rail and Steel and introducing the NHS and Welfare during 1945-1951.
I put the loss of UK independence as arising from Anthony Eden's disastrous
Anglo-French invasion regarding the Suez canal in 1956. This resulted in the
Soviet Union threatening to nuke the UK and US President Dwight Eisenhower
threatening to have the US federal reserve sell the pound.
This resulted in UK politicians switching to full grovel and suck up to the yanks mode.
You want an Indian ocean base. OK, the USA may have us evict those Diego islanders.
We will pretend they did not live there. This lie finally bounced in the Appeal Court.
The first stage in the recovery was strangely enough when PM Harold Wilson refused
to send British troops to fight in Vietnam. The Australians did, but changed their mind.
It is in this context that Tony Blair's decision to participate in invading Iraq was so damaging.
Returning to the point. There are a number of Caribbean Islands where, while HM
Queen E2 is formerly Head of State, their foreign policy follows the US state department
line rather than the UK. I suspect that the USA may, out of politeness, lets our QE2
remain nominally sovereign; after all they do not want them to become part of the USA
because if so they would start asking to send representatives to congress and senate.
EnglishEdward
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Interesting watching the German politicians increasingly assuming
that German policy is EU policy and vice versa.
I suspect this will help our French posters better understand the Scots.
I will respond in detail to the rest later but I think this is the nub of the post - import licenses and tariffs are the default position for the import of milk into the EU from third countries, unless an exemption is negotiated.
(Southern) Irish dairy farmers were annoyed when as in this example Aldi started sourcing it's milk from across the border but thanks to the free market there was not much they could do about.
To continue to trade a post brexit UK would have to negotiate for this access and convince the Irish minister for agriculture and the 26 other agricultural ministersto allow this. I can assure you that the Irish minister for agriculture will be having his ear firmly bent by dairy farmers not to allow it.
In his other ear exporting farmers will be pressing to keep access to the British market open but practically as Britain imports 40% of its food no British government is going to put tariffs on this.
Trade offs will happen but relative to the current position it look like lose lose - the cost of my milk goes up, a northern farmer loses an export market.
http://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/milk/policy-instruments/index_en.htm
Germany and all other members will have a veto on a post brexit treaty with the UK afaik.
Ireland might even have to put the treaty to a referendum depending on what is in it now that I think about it.
HAND
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Agreed about Schäuble.. it does reek of a risky desperate threat. German bullying will be seen as such in the UK. I'd be willing to bet the "Remain" campaign are on the phone to Berlin at this very moment, asking politely "Can Schäuble shut his cake hole?!"
Also, it's the Queen's birthday today, so I doubt she will want to ruin it with politics.
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He's not the only one.
If the UK leaves the EU will make an example out ot them to show that you can't just blackmail the union to alter the deal or leave and try to enter again with better conditions.
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That's not a certainty, with German car manufacturers most likely knocking on Merkel's door on the 24th, if the UK does leave.
Will English sales reps suddenly stop buying Audi A4s?
The cost will only go up it the UK decides to apply an impprt tarrif. Is this the plan?
The UK exports more cars to than it imports - will Nissan Toyota and Ford be happy outside the EU?
Edit: actually it seems to be closely balanced.
Will Volkswagen Renault and Fiat be knocking on doors asking for tarrifs on imports from the UK?
Lol? The 'union' is doing fine blackmailing its own member-states. By now it is not so much a union as a block of subservient German tiny countries of the former east block + German gov + half-ish of the german voting public.
And given the "Do as i say or i END you" did not even work against the greek public in the vote, i am not seeing it work against the UK public either. (public is not in tautology with politicians). If anything i can see this alienating more of those who up to now planned to vote to Remain.
Btw, if the UK leaves, German gov has no power to sanction them, and it is not like all the rest of the EU would accept to sanction either. Card has been ludicrously overplayed. I hope the UK leaves.
You should be reminded, Yeekim, that votes have to passed in the EU regional parliaments for any specific sanction or tariff. The UK will do well to not walk into a very stupid bluff. Maybe this had to happen to show how no one is immune against a rabid dog of a gov, and only one such would feature unworthy to run even a paper mill people like Shauble. You may hope vassals of the current german gov will comply, but there are also some other countries of the pre-2004 EU, which don't seem to be singing the same tune.
I hope the UK leaves, to start leading to things in Europe making sense again. It won't be the last to leave, either.
I hope the UK leaves, to start leading to things in Europe making sense again. It won't be the last to leave, either.
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