ParadigmShifter
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What do you want to do to them? And why shouldn't we apply it to GWB, who has killed far more?
What do you want to do to them? And why shouldn't we apply it to GWB, who has killed far more?
I think that water boarding is perfectly fine if it will save innocent lives. Bush did NOT kill civilians if that is your assertion then I will end my foray into the off-topic thread here and now.
other americans who thought they were acting under his orders certainly did murder civilians through torture.
And who knows how many were murdered by the secret police of countries such as egypt? They have already admitted to taking 60-70 of gwb's victims by 2005. I doubt any of them were ever heard of again.
Except that little girl who had 2 legs and an arm blown off, who we treated in a uK hospital.
Like I edited on above. Ooh you have a minor mental scar (At worst) well I'm sorry that must be way worse then what you did to all those civilians you murdered for worshipping a different god.
Like I said I don't want to go half as far as say the inquisition, I don't want to maim them, or gouge their eyes out or anything.
I've already posted details in this thread how Americans did exactly that in Baghram, which the US military now admits. And I seriously doubt that was the only case.none of them were civilians they were jihadist combatants and would kill you or me or most of us here!.
Civilians were likely murdered in Iraq. I think it is rather far-fetched to think that was the only exception, especially given Abu Ghraib.We did not go into Iraq and murder civilians.
You missed your chance.If we really were murdering innocent civilians I would be clamoring for impeachment.
Grow up for a minute. If you advocate torture that is exactly what you will do. This is not an episode of 24 where the Caucasians are the good guys and the Arabs irredimably evil. What you are doing is an evil and will become the end of itself, taking over your whole life until you cannot stop.
And also look at the effects, now you have the family and friends of the person you took without reason or justification hating your guts because of the evils you have unleashed, and wanting to revisit to you a thousand fold. The escalation keeps going until... Well look at the opening to any of the Fallout games and you'll get a pretty accurate picture.
I've already posted details in this thread how Americans did exactly that in Baghram, which the US military now admits. And I seriously doubt that was the only case.
There have likely been hudreds of innocent people who have been murdered so far by the US and our allies in this war of terror.
Civilians were likely murdered in Iraq. I think it is rather far-fetched to think that was the only exception, especially given Abu Ghraib.
You missed your chance.
Not allowed under the UN Convention Against Torture that we ratified in 1994. Nice to know you hold the law in such high esteem.I think that water boarding is perfectly fine if it will save innocent lives.
Okay!Bush did NOT kill civilians if that is your assertion then I will end my foray into the off-topic thread here and now.
The trouble is that the vast majority of Muslims detained in our war of terror were completely innocent. Most have already been released long ago after they were tortured by various means, including waterboarding and even genital mutilation.I'm not talking about torturing random people taken without reason. I am talking about water boarding and other frightening but not wounding methods used on ENEMY COMBATANTS. People who murder civilians.
I'm not talking about torturing random people taken without reason. I am talking about water boarding and other frightening but not wounding methods used on ENEMY COMBATANTS. People who murder civilians.
I'm not talking about torturing random people taken without reason. I am talking about water boarding and other frightening but not wounding methods used on ENEMY COMBATANTS. People who murder civilians.
He has similarly compared waterboarding to a 'bad day at the pool'.
On your assertion that you do not kill civilians, how wrong you are.
Do you think that it is ok to torture people by slicing there penis with razor blades.
Then let them heal.
Then do it again.
An experiance everyone has had is strong enough to break terrorists in minutes and when our special forces are trained to deal with it, doctors must be on hand? We must have some pansy terrorists and special forces.I guess you never saw bullies at the pool hold smaller kids forcefully under water until they panic. I have. Thats as close to waterboarding as that one allegation was with the water hose.
An experiance everyone has had is strong enough to break terrorists in minutes and when our special forces are trained to deal with it, doctors must be on hand? We must have some pansy terrorists and special forces.
I would also like to ask, why do you believe your opinion as a layperson trump the opinion of medical and psychological proffesionals who have done studies confirming their opinion that waterboarding is torture?
I suppose it is torture when the Khemer Rouge does it, but enhanced interrogation when the US does it.
So inducing immediate and uncontrollable fear responses to extract information or to serve as punishment for an attempted action (which has not been proven) is not torture?What makes the technique effective is a fear response in relation to drowning.
Links please!I never said it did. However, as in all things, there are professionals on both sides of the fence on this (and some in the middle as well).
3 confirmed times. Please demonstrate to me how a method on interrogation that is 'no worse then being dunked in the pool' is able to break people in minutes and requires doctors present when our special forces are undergoing it. Again, are our special forces so pathetic as to need specialized training to handle 'being dunked in the pool'?The Khemer Rouge also stuck bamboo rods under peoples fingernails and other totally non-questionable torturous acts. Waterboarding was done a total of 3 times that is confirmed. 3 times.
This is the point: .And yet to you the USA = Khemer Rouge.