Is Elon Musk a fraud?

[Gorbles]

I would say yes, but I'm on my phone I'm not really ready for the inevitable Inquisitorius about it.

 

[Kyriakos]

in 2019 939 deaths were caused by red light runners in the US. How many AI cars have run red lights and how many deaths did they cause?

Well this is remarkable, just not for reasons having to do with the thread. Remarkable that you don't get that a machine isn't making a mistake or something which will be fixed when it is sober/thinking straight/better as a driver, but due to the program being unable to process what the red light is supposed to be. Are you sure you are helping anyone by posting such? No one wants to die by a machine they bought to drive safely just because careless human drivers die too

 

[r16]

is the Pope Catholic would be my only entry here , but it might lead to trouble with Reptilians and all that . Despite the joke having just being done or whatever .

musk is the "human face of Capitalism" in an era where it looks promising enough to control the entire globe with various means . And he is not the "first" . Bill Gates has been spending billions in donations after he had to crush Steve Jobs after the stealing of the mouse or the windows or clickable areas on the screen or whatever . Jobs' greatest failing being an inability to grasp that he would be an counter-example to any claims that the "Jews" were taking over America with his Syrian origins and whatever . Once he understood the limitations of the situation , meaning he positively matured or something , his path to success was once again open . The US Goverment stripped Pixar off Lucasarts , as an example . Musk's mission was leading the Green Revolution . Mass Transit and electric vehicles . With the War in Ukraine and profits , have you heard of Greta Thunberg lately ? Yeah , that kind of thing . His space business has also neatly "coincided" with the American need to fight a war in space , you know , proxy hackers and all . He would never pass through the authorities , who can even be Communist enough to demand respect for the workers and stuff , had Washington desired to stop Musk who supposedly rocks the boat .

 

[Birdjaguar]

Well this is remarkable, just not for reasons having to do with the thread. Remarkable that you don't get that a machine isn't making a mistake or something which will be fixed when it is sober/thinking straight/better as a driver, but due to the program being unable to process what the red light is supposed to be. Are you sure you are helping anyone by posting such? No one wants to die by a machine they bought to drive safely just because careless human drivers die too

Please post how many people have died because an AI car ran a red light. Do you know the details of why your example (that you haven't yet disclosed) failed to stop? Clearly, you have no understanding of how technology advances.

 

[Kyriakos]

You know what, I view what you said as so [] that I won't pay any more attention.

 

[Birdjaguar]

You know what, I view what you said as so [] that I won't pay any more attention.

Naturally, as soon as you have to produce a bit of evidence....

 

[GenMarshall]

An eccentric billionaire perhaps. Definitely not a fraud.

 

[Sarin]

Like again, his actual real cars lead the industry right now. But keep smoking the copium!

His entire MO is duping the tech oriented people into bankrolling him, then producing absolute minimum, if anything, and pocketing the rest. Remember the whole bitcoin con he did?

 

[Hygro]

His entire MO is duping the tech oriented people into bankrolling him, then producing absolute minimum, if anything, and pocketing the rest. Remember the whole bitcoin con he did?

Entire MO? I could go outside for 5 minutes and count 5 Teslas pass my house. More during Rush hour. It's like 15% of cars around here. The other companies wouldn't be making these electric cars outside of niche short range ones without him. Sure maybe someone else would have tried, maybe succeeded, and then maybe we'd be on the same millenia-long trendline but 7 years late. Or maybe not.

But in any event, Tesla is launching rockets for themselves and everyone else. They're at least a third of all rockets launched worldwide. They're a third of the launches for the entire human institution of going to space!

But it's not real of course, only the few months when Tesla lost money on bitcoin is the REAL Elon.

 

[sophie]

Yes absolutely. It was really funny when his wife left him for Chelsea Manning though.

 

[Sarin]

Entire MO? I could go outside for 5 minutes and count 5 Teslas pass my house. More during Rush hour. It's like 15% of cars around here. The other companies wouldn't be making these electric cars outside of niche short range ones without him. Sure maybe someone else would have tried, maybe succeeded, and then maybe we'd be on the same millenia-long trendline but 7 years late. Or maybe not.

But in any event, Tesla is launching rockets for themselves and everyone else. They're at least a third of all rockets launched worldwide. They're a third of the launches for the entire human institution of going to space!

But it's not real of course, only the few months when Tesla lost money on bitcoin is the REAL Elon.

You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you...

The con he pulled was buying a lot of bitcoin, promising that Tesla will accept it as payment, and once bitcoin price soared, he sold his bitcoin stock and never delivered his promise. He made a lot of money this way from people who believed him.

He always promises a far-fetched, high tech thing, get bankrolled, and if he delivers, it's far less that was promised and expected for the money. He exploits people, just check the articles about working conditions in his factories or sources of the rare metals his factories use. He is, at best, another ruthless businessman who found his own unique way how to exploit people.

 

[Fippy]

Who cares tbh, not my world.
Person cult or cult of personality bores me

 

[Narz]

Like again, his actual real cars lead the industry right now. But keep smoking the copium!

He sells real stuff and also snake oil (Mars colony dreams etc)

 

[Hygro]

You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you...

The con he pulled was buying a lot of bitcoin, promising that Tesla will accept it as payment, and once bitcoin price soared, he sold his bitcoin stock and never delivered his promise. He made a lot of money this way from people who believed him.

He always promises a far-fetched, high tech thing, get bankrolled, and if he delivers, it's far less that was promised and expected for the money. He exploits people, just check the articles about working conditions in his factories or sources of the rare metals his factories use. He is, at best, another ruthless businessman who found his own unique way how to exploit people.

He delivers on more real stuff in more difficult arenas than almost anyone and you're measuring his career on crypto fluctuations. "His entire MO"

 

[racha]

His entire MO is duping the tech oriented people into bankrolling him, then producing absolute minimum, if anything, and pocketing the rest.

Do you think the spectacular Falcon Heavy is the "absolute minimum"? I should have thought that definition would apply to a rocket that can just about loft the required payload into orbit. Almost-synchronised side booster landings are pure eye candy that isn't required and is way beyond what anyone else had previously produced.

He sells real stuff and also snake oil (Mars colony dreams etc)

To each their own, but I wouldn't bet against him being the first one to put humans there. At this point, going off what they've said publicly, those people won't be going for the interplanetary equivalent of a day trip. You just have to understand Musk Time, which is highly similar to Valve Time.

OTOH, the Senate Launch System still hasn't flown (though the 6-hour wet dress rehearsal did last something like 8 days ) and Boeing's Starliner failed its first test flight, only making a successful one after Crew Dragon had made multiple trips to the ISS.

All this aside, Musk seems like quite the unpleasant individual at times. People are complicated.

 

[Rg339]

Entire MO? I could go outside for 5 minutes and count 5 Teslas pass my house. More during Rush hour. It's like 15% of cars around here.

From this quote alone I’m willing to wager you’re somewhere close to a major city. I’ve never actually seen a Tesla in the wild, so to speak.

Tesla price is still pretty high. If he’s gonna capture the market like some Tesla investors seem to expect, he’s gotta roll out something that’s not so expensive.

That’s not to disagree with the point that Elon delivers and delivers first. It’s just to say that expectations of some investors are unrealistically high.

 

[Gorbles]

To each their own, but I wouldn't bet against him being the first one to put humans there.

I feel like this is a key point in general - not even to do with Musk in particular.

Is it Musk who'll be doing this? Or all the people he employs? And if so, why does merely employing these people grant him their credit? They're doing the work.

Nobody credits shareholders with making video games. They're a large part of it (however regrettable this may be at times), but they're not credited with it. Heck, the publisher (as a brand) is before they are.

So why is Musk, or Branson, or whoever, treated as the combined brain trust of the people that actually do the work, instead of arguably just the businessman that rose to the top (in Musk's case, after leaving South Africa with precious gems due to basically little more than nepotism)?

 

[Rg339]

I feel like this is a key point in general - not even to do with Musk in particular.

Is it Musk who'll be doing this? Or all the people he employs? And if so, why does merely employing these people grant him their credit? They're doing the work.

When it became clear that the Obama admin was punting space exploration to the private sector(a move I strongly disagreed with at the time), well, if Elon doesn’t step in first and step in hard, there’s probably nobody paying the engineers who work for SpaceX, and no progress is made.

Back when the Obama admin was sounding out trying to get private business involved in space travel, I don’t recall there being a guarantee anybody’d answer the bell. Elon and the company he organized did, and did so in a way that depended on both his wallet and social connections. He gets at least partial credit for bringing the brain trust together.

 

[Gorbles]

When it became clear that the Obama admin was punting space exploration to the private sector, well, if Elon doesn’t step in first and step in hard, there’s probably nobody paying the engineers who work for SpaceX, and no progress is made.

Back when the Obama admin was sounding out trying to get private business involved in space travel, I don’t recall there being a guarantee anybody’d answer the bell. Elon and the company he organized did, and did so in a way that depended on both his wallet and social connections. He gets at least partial credit for bringing the brain trust together.

Like I said, excepting organisational credit, why do people associate the actual technical ability with him?

He's not Tony Stark, right? Tony Stark is a fictional character (Iron Man, a genius-level mechanic who's also a CEO and massive philanthropist, for the folks understandably confused at the reference).

If all people are doing is assuming based on his track record as a businessperson, I find that pretty unconvincing.

 

[racha]

Is it Musk who'll be doing this? Or all the people he employs?

Both. He's often been described as a visionary, which some may dispute, but he certainly understands engineering and he hires talented engineers to work for him. What little I know of him is more on the SpaceX side, rather than Tesla, TBC, or the battery company.