Is Elon Musk a fraud?

[Kyriakos]

no , am not paying for that either .

You probably couldn't use it, unless there is a different standard for trucks in Turkey than in Eu (where, iirc, the legal upper end for truck height is considerably lower than in the US/I am sure other characteristics differ too).

 

[Hygro]

Maybe you don't mean the one announced to be out at 2018,2019,2020,2021,2022,2023, having been pre-paid
Afaik it's by now a running joke, along with (estimated) low cargo capacity, high cost, battery recharging making trips shorter etc.
Estimated, because no one knows still the actual vital statistics of something prepaid by so many.

Tesla has delivered on its primary hardware promises fairly reliably, if a little behind schedule and higher priced. I'm not sure what you mean by the other things, Tesla's primary advantage is that is has better batteries and better charging infrastructure. We don't know its towing capacity but the recent big rig demonstration is a quite optimistic sign Teslas will go far towing a lot. The "pre pay" is literally a refundable $100 ticket to hold a spot in line as demand will exceed supply. Nobody's prepaid a cybertruck.

The Ford F-150 lightning is looking like a pretty strong competitor, but the range is lower. Rivian now has two trucks on the road, also lower mileage but seem pretty good. It only took them like 12 years.

 

[r16]

am not paying for the voyage to Mars . But now that it has been mentioned , ı will not buy the trucks or support them as well .

 

[Kyriakos]

Tesla has delivered on its primary hardware promises fairly reliably, if a little behind schedule and higher priced. I'm not sure what you mean by the other things, Tesla's primary advantage is that is has better batteries and better charging infrastructure. We don't know its towing capacity but the recent big rig demonstration is a quite optimistic sign Teslas will go far towing a lot. The "pre pay" is literally a refundable $100 ticket to hold a spot in line as demand will exceed supply. Nobody's prepaid a cybertruck.

The Ford F-150 lightning is looking like a pretty strong competitor, but the range is lower. Rivian now has two trucks on the road, also lower mileage but seem pretty good. It only took them like 12 years.

I am not following the story much, but it's a truck promised since 2018, with prototype tested and presented. That alone is a joke. Furthermore, to not even know now its statistics, is rather eerily similar to a fraud. It's not just the (obviously critical) towing capacity either; battery life (dependent on times of recharge) as well as hours per charging remain unknown. This was argued by Musk to beat diesel trucks (which it should do, otherwise there is no market for it), and estimates speak of very much being not antagonistic at all to them (energy price, towing capacity, travel time).

 

[Caesar of Bread]

Truly, he is a malicious fraud and villain

 

[Birdjaguar]

Truly, he is a malicious fraud and villain

What makes you say that?

 

[Caesar of Bread]

What makes you say that?

Runs a company that is a nigh-monopoly, that's for sure (I'm socialist so...), also he will not respond to constructive criticism in a good manner.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Tesla has delivered on its primary hardware promises fairly reliably, if a little behind schedule and higher priced. I'm not sure what you mean by the other things, Tesla's primary advantage is that is has better batteries and better charging infrastructure. We don't know its towing capacity but the recent big rig demonstration is a quite optimistic sign Teslas will go far towing a lot. The "pre pay" is literally a refundable $100 ticket to hold a spot in line as demand will exceed supply. Nobody's prepaid a cybertruck.
The Ford F-150 lightning is looking like a pretty strong competitor, but the range is lower. Rivian now has two trucks on the road, also lower mileage but seem pretty good. It only took them like 12 years.

Tesla EV are subsidies by the Californian government, including the charging stations, and electrical infrastructure to the tune of $130K per Truck
There is a huge question mark over the battery life for heavy usage, which is expected to require battery replacement in as little as 3 years and 2 tons of battery cost around 150K

There are also Elons lets says less then honest announcements, about reliability, safety etc, that I wouldnt take ANY announcements by Tesla at face value anymore.
Though I do give Tesla credit for being ahead technology wise in the EV but other companies are starting to catch up

 

[Hygro]

How much was invested per truck for infrastructure for gas trucks?

 

[Kyriakos]

Truly, he is a malicious fraud and villain

I think he is more of the overwhelmed pretender; if he knew what was good for him, he'd never have placed himself in a position to be discussed by considerably more people than those who were fans of Tesla etc. The worst was the revelation of his (apparently) near total ignorance of any science past what everyone learns at secondary school, when up to now he had been presenting himself as a high-tech engineer/inventor.
There is a highly cringe video (among others) where he tries to pretend he is a coder and discuss Twitter stack code in a webmeeting with employees at Twitter, only to be exposed by one of them (who iirc he later fired, after calling him a name during that meeting)

 

[r16]

his entire Twitter losses are a game to instill fear in those who would dare to question whatever that has started with Ukraine . Question and you will be answered with financial doom .

 

[Kyriakos]

^Probably you are fishing? (^^) But the US government massively subsidizes Musk already (either directly or through states), so if they actually wanted to kill his franchise they would do it more effectively.
Musk's Twitter seems to be a self-caused tragic and image-ending blunder.

 

[r16]

musk will recoup his losses . He GETS to look like losing . Do you really think it is a joke that ı keep saying ı will not pay ?

 

[Kyriakos]

Imo even in the unlikely event he gets back to something near his fortune before this disaster (and yes, that is very unlikely), it won't be the same, since his image is tarnished not due to attacks but revelations of his lack of any scientific credentials. I doubt he will admit to being ignorant and just a source of money to throw at projects either, but even if he would, it's the end of his persona as inventor.
He did go to lengths to create that facade, by the way, even published a patent-like paper in the past (that was on the non-project, Hyperloop, which he later abandoned).

 

[r16]

this is a guy who names his son A-12 because someguy named Will Roper tried to make the biggest aerospace company in the US and eventually the world by turning over lean and mean production stuff , the uber super duper anti-Chinese fighter jet prototype freely provided . He chose to support the natural order of the stuff , showed it with the name . That being the previous version of the Lockmart's SR-71 ... He will get back and he has enough money already .

all it takes a straight two weeks of adulation on the web .

 

[Kyriakos]

all it takes a straight two weeks of adulation on the web .

He won't have that ever again. He is currently the laughing stock of the web.
We are way past the critical moment in "The Emperor's New Clothes".

 

[r16]

he is one of THE Rich . He will get it when it is applicable . He had a deal with the US Goverment to be the fall guy , he has a deal to come back up . His suffering is not an example for "ordinary people" .

 

[Kyriakos]

I don't see how it would help the US in Ukraine if Musk becomes the "fall guy". Not that many people associate Musk with anti-Ukraine, afaik (isn't he still providing satellite communications there?).
I also doubt Musk cares about Ukraine one way or the other. He isn't against imperialism, once made a twitt about how US should invade Bolivia to take its lithium.

 

[r16]

he is one of the Rich . He is whatever the PR needs him to be . In contrast to many , there are those who see it is going to be a disaster of epic proportions . When Musk talks "against" the project , he is made to "suffer" . Which wasn't his money and he will get it back with bitcoiny robberies . Or he might go the Bill Gates way when Ukranians defeat the Russians and clear the way for nation state size plantations . Which are talked about but not in public or anything . At this point it is only fair to say that his example is not meant for you . Without trying to insult or anything .

 

[Kyriakos]

Gates and Amazon are a lot more refined in how they go about their business/interviews, though. Musk..., even if one accepts what you said about "seeing the disaster" and being pre-emptively punished for the time being so as to keep other billionaires in line, is not looking like a person with a serious, long term plan to support or attack stuff.
PS, there's not even a single interview where he sounds intelligent, unlike Gates/Bez and so on.