Is Iran coming in from the cold?

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Known as "the diplomatic sheikh" in his homeland, Rouhani has hinted that he favors a more conciliatory approach than his predecessor.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's addresses to the U.N. General Assembly during his eight years as Iran's president were often controversial.

"The Iranian people voted 'yes' to moderation," Rouhani said during his swearing-in address. Amid the long-simmering nuclear standoff, he has also called for better relations with the West and said that the only way to get Iran out of its current rut was to negotiate with America.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/08/20339435-is-iran-coming-in-from-the-cold-hints-pile-up-as-new-president-prepares-for-nyc-trip?lite

Iranian President Hassan Rohani has told a UN meeting on nuclear disarmament that no country should have nuclear weapons and called on Israel to join the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

Rohani, whose country is suspected by the West of seeking the capability to produce atomic bombs, urged Israel, which has never officially acknowledged its presumed possession of nuclear weapons, to put its nuclear arms under international control.
http://www.rferl.org/content/rouhani-npt-iran-nuclear-weapons/25118889.html

So, is Rohani capable of delivering on this?

Is Iran now beginning to respond because of long term economic sanctions?

Or is this just a smoke screen and the real power remains Ali Khamanei?
 
No to all. Both the political and the clerical branches of Iran consistently overstate their hands.
 
I don't understand. Are you saying no one is in charge in Iran? Is it a puppet regime of somewhere else, perhaps?

Or is it just adrift on the shifting sands of time and completely directionless?
 
Or is this just a smoke screen and the real power remains Ali Khamanei?

Very hard to say. During the Ruhollah Khomenei era, the Ayatollah was the undisputed master of Iran. Nowadays, the President, as opposed to the supreme leader, seems to be the more powerful function. If that's true, then Iran has become sort of a constitutional theocracy, in which a secular government represents the figurehead Ayatollah. Of course, it may also be possible that the Ayatollah is still very powerful, and simply allowed Ahmadinejad to be defeated, perhaps because being hostile to America isn't really a good idea?
 
Or is this just a smoke screen and the real power remains Ali Khamanei?

I think much of a country's foreign policy depends on its ability to negotiate with other countries and how other countries perceive it. Even if Rouhani were just a puppet, it'll help a lot not having a holocaust denier as the guy who represents the country.
 
I don't understand. Are you saying no one is in charge in Iran? Is it a puppet regime of somewhere else, perhaps?

Or is it just adrift on the shifting sands of time and completely directionless?

There's not one in charge of Iran any more than Obama or Boehner is in charge of the US. They are all going to make promises they can't keep.
 
I'm convinced the Iranians understand that a rapproachment with the US is in order. While it will likely be quite limited, they are suffering quite a bit from sanctions and cannot afford to be so against the US. It is not necessarily in American interests to make nice with Iran so we'll see what happensI guess.
 
I'm convinced the Iranians understand that a rapproachment with the US is in order. While it will likely be quite limited, they are suffering quite a bit from sanctions and cannot afford to be so against the US. It is not necessarily in American interests to make nice with Iran so we'll see what happensI guess.

I would think they know that the US are unlikely to really back off. But the US can't enforce the embargo all on their own. So if they seem to be nice and reasonable about their positions, they might get some other countries to break the embargo. After all it is not that hard to be less unpopular than the Americans in that part of the world.
 
I'm convinced the Iranians understand that a rapproachment with the US is in order. While it will likely be quite limited, they are suffering quite a bit from sanctions and cannot afford to be so against the US. It is not necessarily in American interests to make nice with Iran so we'll see what happensI guess.
Iran has been seeking a rapprochement with the US since at least 2001. The US - pushed by Israel and Saudi Arabia - have constantly rebuffed those attempts. This attempt is far more open than the previous overtures, so it will be interesting to see how the US responds. I think this is possibly a strategy on Iran's part to take some of the heat off Assad, myself.
 
There have been numerous attempt by the Islamist Iran to re-approach the West. Mostly they've been turned down by the West. (Because what Iran wants is not palatable to Western countries and their Saudi puppet masters).

I'd recommend the documentary "Iran and the West" by BBC. 3 parts, it's on YouTube. It kind of shows both sides' views of the issue.
 
You seem to be hinting that the Western stance towards the Middle East is somehow controlled by the Saudis and not determined through the desire to forward mutual interests..


Anyway, a strong Iran is hard for the US to deal with because the Saudis are not tough enough to deal with them. A strong Turkey could possibly worm though
 
My opinion is that Saudi Arabia is one of the worst Middle Eastern hellholes in terms of human rights and freedoms which keeps corrupting and manipulating Western foreign policy in the region, especially the US and the British.

Iran is ruled by a regime that is despicable, but not much worse (better in many respects, actually) than that which controls Saudi Arabia. I see no reason why we should automatically take the Saudi side IF we could achieve some sort of settlement with Iran which would ensure it would cease with terrorist activities against us and Israel. In exchange we would have to recognize its national interests and resign to regime change in the country. Bitter pills to swallow for both sides, but better than war.

As for the people, Iranians are about the most pro-western in the Middle East. We should capitalize on that.
 
I see no reason why we should automatically take the Saudi side IF we could achieve some sort of settlement with Iran which would ensure it would cease with terrorist activities against us and Israel.

Not only is that not going to happen, but it would be horrible for the area and the world if Iran stopped its terrorism. Iran's terrorists organizations are a stabilizing force in the Middle East.

Hezbollah. Conceived in Iran, came of age in Lebanon. In Lebanon, it has seats in the legislature and an army lager than the Lebanese national army. It also runs multiple hospitals and schools, resources critical to the region.

What would happen if Iran suddenly withdrew from Hezbollah? Lebanon and Syria would be sent into a nose-dive worse (somehow) than what is happening now.

For detente to work you would need the West, that is America, to come to terms with the fact that Hezbollah has its talons so far into the region that simply tearing it out would be awful. Of course the UK already has some experience in exactly this sort of thing and they only classify the military wing of Hezbollah as a terrorist organization, implying they could work with the political wing. Too bad the UK seems completely unwilling to take a leadership position here.

Not that I can blame them for that position. Seems pretty thankless.
 
Hezbollah is a pawn on the Iranian chessboard, and the same goes to other such organizations it sponsors. Iranians are willing to, if not completely throw it overboard, then at least rein it back and make it behave.

Really, settling affairs with a more moderate Iranian regime would get rid of many of the headaches we (the West) face in the Middle East. Eventually, we could even leverage the settlement with Iran to threaten the Saudis enough for them to stop their own support for terrorists.

What the Western policy in the Middle East needs is less ideology and more hardcore realism. If we continue to unconditionally support countries (and yes, this includes Israel) and regimes, we're just inviting them to do all kinds of mischief, which eventually harms us as well.

Syria is another case of Western ideology-driven idiocy. If we can settle with Iran, then it would be better for us if Assad won and re-established order. Pressure from the West and Iran would prevent him from being too bloodthirsty in his eventual reprisals.
 
The reason the US sides with the Saudis automatically rather than the Iranians is that Saudi Arabia is a key oil producing country but it is extremely vulnerable to external threats. Iran has a population nearly thrice that of Saudi Arabia and it's economy is at least somewhat more diversified (despite the crippling sanctions).

The US would only be free to disengage from the Middle East if we were able to see something of a balance of power emerge. Balancing Turkey and friends against Iran and friends is the way to do that I believe.
 
The reason the US sides with the Saudis automatically rather than the Iranians is that Saudi Arabia is a key oil producing country but it is extremely vulnerable to external threats. Iran has a population nearly thrice that of Saudi Arabia and it's economy is at least somewhat more diversified (despite the crippling sanctions).

The US would only be free to disengage from the Middle East if we were able to see something of a balance of power emerge. Balancing Turkey and friends against Iran and friends is the way to do that I believe.
Please forget the concept of a balance of power. It's a crock that needs to die. I majored in international relations, and BoP is outdated and outmoded. Any decent IR theorist today recognises that BoP and the far superior BoT (Balance of Threat) are just theoretical models for how states should behave, not how they do or will behave.

The US historically backed Iran over Saudi Arabia, only shifting support to the less palatable, controllable, and capable Saudis because of the rift formed by the Iranian Revolution, particularly the hostage crisis. The Iranian Revolution was a stunning intelligence and diplomatic failure by the Carter Administration, which need not have fallen into any of the traps it did. Following that fiasco, the US failed to normalise relations, as it should have, despite several opportunities. Following the Gulf War, the US, having obtained military bases in Saudi Arabia, was understandably committed to staying the course of its new foreign policy in the region. But given subsequent events, it is imperative that the US eliminate Iran as a threat to its hegemony in the region.

There are two ways this can be done. The first method, favoured by the Saudis and neocons like Dick Cheney, is to defeat Iran militarily. This would be bloody, brutal, difficult and in no way certain of success. The US hasn't really succeeded in creating pro-US regimes in Iraq after ten years or Afghanistan after twelve, and Iran is a stronger, more unified and more anti-American state than either of those to begin with.

The alternative is to co-opt Iran. The benefits of this policy are numerous; no threat of the closure of the Straights of Hormuz; cheap access to Iranian oil; decreased possibilities of the Saudis raising oil prices; less need for military assets in the region; depriving Russia and China of a strong ally in the region; a friendly, mid-level regional power bordering Russia; depriving North Korea of a partner in nuclear weapons development; ending Iranian support for anti-American terrorist organisations in the region; opening up the Iranian market to American producers, especially arms manufacturers, as Iran's market is far larger than that of the Saudis. These reasons don't include the more moralistic ones, such as that Iran is considerably less repressive and unlikable than Saudi Arabia.

The only reasons, honestly, why America has overlooked a rapprochement with Iran until now have been Saudi and Israeli lobbying in the US itself, inertia from the pro-Saudi policy adopted in 1990, the fallout from the hostage crisis thirty years ago and domestic political considerations. You can't make an opening to Iran without your political opponents labelling you 'weak' or an 'appeaser.' But Iran has opened the door, publicly this time. An American-Iranian rapprochement is long overdue.
 
The reason the US sides with the Saudis automatically rather than the Iranians is that Saudi Arabia is a key oil producing country but it is extremely vulnerable to external threats. Iran has a population nearly thrice that of Saudi Arabia and it's economy is at least somewhat more diversified (despite the crippling sanctions).

The US would only be free to disengage from the Middle East if we were able to see something of a balance of power emerge. Balancing Turkey and friends against Iran and friends is the way to do that I believe.

Saudi Arabia is most vulnerable internally, not externally.

A strategy worth examining would be to shift support from the Saudis to Iran to keep them balanced (and so pre-occupied they would both leave Israel alone). In the long term, a pro-Western Iran with its population and resources is a far better ally than the petro-despocy of Saudi Arabia which has literally no future after oil.
 
Iran has been seeking a rapprochement with the US since at least 2001. The US - pushed by Israel and Saudi Arabia - have constantly rebuffed those attempts.

Despite the fall of the Shah, Iran and Israel still have plenty of common interests. Back in the 1980s, Israel still sold millions of dollars of weapons to the Islamic republic, despite the overwhelming Western support of Iraq instead.

However, it may be that Iran's breaking with Hamas is key in the different US disposition towards Iran this time.
 
I don't understand. Are you saying no one is in charge in Iran? Is it a puppet regime of somewhere else, perhaps?

Or is it just adrift on the shifting sands of time and completely directionless?

Well, who is in charge in the U.S. for example? Is it Obama, who can't get anything done? Is it the house? Is it the lobbyists? Is it the shadow puppet masters?

Iran's politics are probably far more complex than we imagine. I mean, look at the politics of countries that we do know about.
 
Well, who is in charge in the U.S. for example? Is it Obama, who can't get anything done? Is it the house? Is it the lobbyists? Is it the shadow puppet masters?

Iran's politics are probably far more complex than we imagine. I mean, look at the politics of countries that we do know about.

The political elite of any country is a winning coalition, a group of people and/or institutions able to secure power and hold it. When there are internal squibbles, no power is weld.
 
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