Is Isreal overacting?

[Lotus49]

Peace will come between governments not terrorists, what are you talking about?

OK, so I'm the Lebanese PM & you're Israel - and (almost) 2 weeks ago, instead of beginning the strikes, you come to me with... what diplomatic solution?

Let's hear it...

 

[Sidhe]

OK, so I'm the Lebanese PM & you're Israel - and (almost) 2 weeks ago, instead of beginning the strikes, you come to me with... what diplomatic solution?

Let's hear it...

I'm not talking about 5 minute peace I'm talking about a long term peace solution in the Middle East. But anyway how about we work with you to resolve this situation, you give us military support and we provide intelligence to help route out Hezbollah? The truth is Israel didn't even ask the Lebenon it made demands and then threw it's toys out of the pram, it didn't want an answer it wanted revenege.

 

[Gladi]

OK, so I'm the Lebanese PM & you're Israel - and (almost) 2 weeks ago, instead of beginning the strikes, you come to me with... what diplomatic solution?

Let's hear it...

Allow us to operate on your soil and provide us with logistic assistance and condemn Hizbollah.

No? So you have shown your colours as acomplice of terrorism, here is declaration of war and our army soon will be joined by others.

 

[Sidhe]

Allow us to operate on your soil and provide us with logistic assistance and condemn Hizbollah.

No? So you have shown your colours as acomplice of terrorism, here is declaration of war and our army soon will be joined by others.

Great minds think alike

 

[Winner]

I stand for peace, I have heard conadaleeza rice say this war will rearrange the borders of the middle East and all sorts of nonsense rhetoric coming from the American government, they are deluding themselves into thinking this will solve anything, just like it hasn't for the last 50 years.

I've seen part of her press conference too and I don't think she is delusional.

She said one thing repeatedly - an unconditional cease-fire now wouldn't solve anything, because the cause of the problem, Hezbollah, would persist. If they achieved cease-fire now, the war would be back here in few months, because Hezbollah seems to like it.

If we want peace, we must remove the cause of war - Hezbollah. It has to be destroyed. You may not like that, you may disagree, but that's all you can do about it.

I believe like the UN that all this is doing is stirring up hatred and must be stopped ASAP.

Fine, convince Nasrallah to release the captured soldiers and stop attacking Israel.

You know - bombs are falling, Lebanese civilians are suffering and Nasrallah can stop all this instantly. But he won't. Ask yourself why. Why is he doing nothing, why is he prolonging the suffering of Lebanon.

Let's get back to trying to find peaceful means to solve this situation, war has been shown time and time again to achieve precisely nothing, what makes you think it's all suddenly going to change out there? Blind hope?

No Hezbollah - no problem. After Hezbollah is destroyed, we can talk about stabilisation of Lebanon and securing its southern border. Until then, no lasting peace arrangement is possible.

 

[Gladi]

I've seen part of her press conference too and I don't think she is delusional.

She said one thing repeatedly - an unconditional cease-fire now wouldn't solve anything, because the cause of the problem, Hezbollah, would persist. If they achieved cease-fire now, the war would be back here in few months, because Hezbollah seems to like it.

If we want peace, we must remove the cause of war - Hezbollah. It has to be destroyed. You may not like that, you may disagree, but that's all you can do about it.

Fine, convince Nasrallah to release the captured soldiers and stop attacking Israel.

You know - bombs are falling, Lebanese civilians are suffering and Nasrallah can stop all this instantly. But he won't. Ask yourself why. Why is he doing nothing, why is he prolonging the suffering of Lebanon.



No Hezbollah - no problem. After Hezbollah is destroyed, we can talk about stabilisation of Lebanon and securing its southern border. Until then, no lasting peace arrangement is possible.

Hizbollah is not Lebanon. So why cannot Israel try to deal with Lebanon?

 

[Lotus49]

Allow us to operate on your soil and provide us with logistic assistance and condemn Hizbollah.

No? So you have shown your colours as acomplice of terrorism, here is declaration of war and our army soon will be joined by others.

George Bush? Is that you, ...sir?

Look, you're either going to respect 'our' (I'm pretending to play the role) sovereignty, or you aren't. You can't just go around crossing borders - that is an act of war, and a violation of our sovereignty.

This reminds me of Nazi Germany's demands on Poland, in 1939 for some reason (also Sudetenland in '38 was similar). Make an unreasonable offer that totally violates a sovereign nation's borders, or "that's it! We're comin' in ta getcha!" -all based on what certain people on my side of the border may -or may not- be doing.

Basically I have two choices... you're going to send your troops into my country - or, you're going to send your troops into my country.

That's really diplomatically sophisticated, yeah. I have to say - I was expecting a little more.

I think you guys have been reading George Bush speeches one time too many, over there.

 

[Winner]

Hizbollah is not Lebanon. So why cannot Israel try to deal with Lebanon?

Lebanese government has not done anything about Hezbollah for ages. Partially because it is too weak to do so, partially because they support Hezbollah and partially because Hezbollah is a part of the government.

As you can see, Lebanese PM said that in case Israelis invade with ground troops, Lebanese soldiers will fight alongside Hezbollahs militants to repel them. That isn't very constructive approach. Lebanese government should do everything it can to distant itself from Hezbollah, unfortunatelly, they're doing the exact opposite of that.

 

[Winner]

George Bush? Is that you, ...sir?

...

I think you guys have been reading George Bush speeches one time too many, over there.

I don't want to speak for Gladi, but I think it is safe to say we don't give a damn about Mr. Bush here.

 

[Sidhe]

George Bush? Is that you, ...sir?

Look, you're either going to respect 'our' (I'm pretending to play the role) sovereignty, or you aren't. You can't just go around crossing borders - that is an act of war, and a violation of our sovereignty.

This reminds me of Nazi Germany's demands on Poland, in 1939 for some reason (also Sudetenland in '38 was similar). Make an unreasonable offer that totally violates a sovereign nation's borders, or "that's it! We're comin' in ta getcha!" -all based on what certain people on my side of the border may -or may not- be doing.

Basically I have two choices... you're going to send your troops into my country - or, you're going to send your troops into my country.

That's really diplomatically sophisticated, yeah. I have to say - I was expecting a little more.

I think you guys have been reading George Bush speeches one time too many, over there.

No you were expecting nothing, you got a good solution it didn't involve bombing civillians or needlessly exsacerbating the situation so you dispise it, face it your a warmoneger who wants to see the wholemiddle East kick of in some delusional belief that it will all be solved when we /Begin dream sequence Hezbolah is finally routed Iraq stops trying to blow it's respective religous self to smithereens, Afghanistan realises they love everyone and Bush is carried throught he Middle East grinning whilst the world looks on in addoration/ end dream sequence. Wake up and smell the coffee, if not today at some point.

Try and see through your own propaganda for a change, Winners a lost cause he's dissapeared into a world where the only point that matters is his own, don't join his idealistic nonsense that's never worked and never will. Kill one Hezbollah, and it's ten more recruits for the other Islamic Terrorist groups, wipe out one terrorist group(not going to happen) And another will spring up to replace it, one more marty = ten more potential martyrs and on you plod repeating the message of war that has been voiced since the 50's as if it'll all begin to make sense in the end.


We kill them and then guess what there is peace, that worked before didn't it?

nope,

But it'll work this time,

Anything historically that has given you that impression?

But it's a law of averages right if we keep doing the same thing and stirring up hatred it's got to work eventually right?

What about history has given you that impression? And on it goes.

 

[Gladi]

George Bush? Is that you, ...sir?

Look, you're either going to respect 'our' (I'm pretending to play the role) sovereignty, or you aren't. You can't just go around crossing borders - that is an act of war, and a violation of our sovereignty.

This reminds me of Nazi Germany's demands on Poland, in 1939 for some reason (also Sudetenland in '38 was similar). Make an unreasonable offer that totally violates a sovereign nation's borders, or "that's it! We're comin' in ta getcha!" -all based on what certain people on my side of the border may -or may not- be doing.

Basically I have two choices... you're going to send your troops into my country - or, you're going to send your troops into my country.

That's really diplomatically sophisticated, yeah. I have to say - I was expecting a little more.

I think you guys have been reading George Bush speeches one time too many, over there.

First. Thanks, but I am not as capable as Mr. Bush and I disagree with him on socio-economics. If I was USian I would be War Democrat.

And it should not reming of Nazis and Poland- there it was fabricated attack- are you saying IDF fabricated Hizbollah attacks ?! (and Sudetenland was entirely different cup of coffee)

What it should remind you is Austrian Ultimatum to Serbia. At least the conditions that were met.

And there is one difference- in one case you ar good guy and will kick ass, in the other you are stupid bad guy and will get kicked.

 

[storealex]

As you can see, Lebanese PM said that in case Israelis invade with ground troops, Lebanese soldiers will fight alongside Hezbollahs militants to repel them. That isn't very constructive approach. Lebanese government should do everything it can to distant itself from Hezbollah, unfortunatelly, they're doing the exact opposite of that.

Considder for a moment that Israel already bombed Lebannese army barracks, with soldiers inside.

 

[zulu9812]

No Hezbollah - no problem. After Hezbollah is destroyed, we can talk about stabilisation of Lebanon and securing its southern border. Until then, no lasting peace arrangement is possible.

I am utterly certain that if there were no terrorist groups in any of the countries surrounding it, Israel would still find reasons for aggression - even if it had to make them up.

 

[Lotus49]

No you were expecting nothing, you got a good solution it didn't involve bombing civillians or needlessly exsacerbating the situation so you dispise it, face it your a warmoneger who wants to see the wholemiddle East kick of in some delusional belief that it will all be solved when we /Begin dream sequence Hezbolah is finally routed Iraq stops trying to blow it's respective religous self to smithereens, Afghanistan realises they love everyone and Bush is carried throught he Middle East grinning whilst the world looks on in addoration/ end dream sequence. Wake up and smell the coffee, if not today at some point.

Try and see through your own propaganda for a change, Winners a lost cause he's dissapeared into a world where the only point that matters is his own, don't join his idealistic nonsense that's never worked and never will. Kill one Hezbollah, and it's ten more recruits for the other Islamic Terrorist groups, wipe out one terrorist group(not going to happen) And another will spring up to replace it, one more marty = ten more potential martyrs and on you plod repeating the message of war that has been voiced since the 50's as if it'll all begin to make sense in the end.


We kill them and then guess what there is peace, that worked before didn't it?

nope,

But it'll work this time,

Anything historically that has given you that impression?

But it's a law of averages right if we keep doing the same thing and stirring up hatred it's got to work eventually right?

What about history has given you that impression? And on it goes.

The only way to have true, lasting peace is if you can give everyone what they want. With the (re)injection of the Israelite nation into the Middle East picture, and 'Zionism' - that is not possible. There is no acceptible solution, to accomodate both the Israelis, and the Arabs.

That is the reality - that is why war, conflict, fighting, and blood spilling on the sands... is the order of the day, indefinitely. There could not be a more 'perfect conflict', than the Israel/Palestine situation. And no matter how you may try to suppress it, it will never go away. You will never have 'peace'.

...unless one side is completely wiped out. And the only way to manage that, is to do it - one at a time (as they are doing, in fact).

 

[Gladi]

Lebanese government has not done anything about Hezbollah for ages. Partially because it is too weak to do so, partially because they support Hezbollah and partially because Hezbollah is a part of the government.

As you can see, Lebanese PM said that in case Israelis invade with ground troops, Lebanese soldiers will fight alongside Hezbollahs militants to repel them. That isn't very constructive approach. Lebanese government should do everything it can to distant itself from Hezbollah, unfortunatelly, they're doing the exact opposite of that.

Of course they will. Israel hasn't said as much as "wanna get clogged punk?" to Lebanon. Serbia has done lot of to distance itself from Black Hand- yet in the end went to war for it.

 

[Winner]

Considder for a moment that Israel already bombed Lebannese army barracks, with soldiers inside.

Was it before or after they aided Hezbollah?

 

[happy_Alex]

No Hezbollah - no problem. After Hezbollah is destroyed, we can talk about stabilisation of Lebanon and securing its southern border. Until then, no lasting peace arrangement is possible.

No offence mate, but you're off in la-la land. Unless the root injustice is addressed people will continue to adhere to radicalism.

 

[Winner]

I am utterly certain that if there were no terrorist groups in any of the countries surrounding it, Israel would still find reasons for aggression - even if it had to make them up.

Yes, all because Jews are just evil blood-thirsty animals, right?

 

[Gladi]

Yes, all because Jews are just evil blood-thirsty animals, right?

Really? I thought all Muslims

are just evil blood-thirsty animals, right?

 

[Winner]

No offence mate, but you're off in la-la land. Unless the root injustice is addressed people will continue to adhere to radicalism.

Is this an excuse for terrorism or what?

But, to play your game, what is the source of injustice in Lebanon? Why Lebanese people should attack Israel, especially when Israel pulled out all of its troops from Lebanon in 2000?