is logic allways right?

[Vietcong]

say thear was a computer, that was 100 logical in every way.
it was not programed with emotion, with simpathy, or greed.
nothing put pure logic.

how efective whold it be ar runing a nation?

allso the question in the title?

i whold love a super computer to be put inchage of the world nuclear missels!

 

[Birdjaguar]

say thear was a computer, that was 100 logical in every way.
it was not programed with emotion, with simpathy, or greed.
nothing put pure logic.

how efective whold it be ar runing a nation?

People would hate it. We like exceptions to the rules and flexibility in our dealings with others. Our society is far to complex to be effectively run by a computer.

 

[Caprice]

i whold love a super computer to be put inchage of the world nuclear missels!

Does anyone else think this would be a terrible idea??

 

[Mr. Dictator]

:raiseshand:

though a monkey is more frightening

 

[sanabas]

A logical argument is going to be definitively correct or incorrect, provided you can agree on the assumptions used. If it's incorrect, you can spot the flaw fairly easily. Agreeing on the assumptions used is the tricky bit. Trying to agree on the goals for a nation, and the inbuilt assumptions for that system, isn't going to happen.

 

[Kyriakos]

There is no Logic without emotion, or to be exact: there is nothing in the brain without emotion (i will explain this in a bit).
Logic is a way of thinking, which is understood by itself as something that forms a specific way of thinking due to particular understandings of the individual which are largely culturally and on one level scientifically, based.

Emotion on the other hand is not a way of thinking. Emotion is the effect that your overall unconscious (ie your entire brain) has on your immediate level of consciousness at any given moment. It can only exist, unless you are depressed, when it again exists ofcourse but it doesnt get felt a lot.
All thought is dwelling inside corridors of emotion, for the simple reason that if you were to replace all emotion (or even a considerable part of it) with calculated thought, you would then be overwhelmed with the massive amounts of processed calculations you would have to make all of the time. Emotion instead replaces all that with a general feel, which is the result of those calculations that are being done for you, below you, in the depths of your mind

 

[FriendlyFire]

Logic often goes against emotion

 

[Mr. Dictator]

i just got a flashback to the ender's game series and thinking about how much i would have hated to be him

 

[Kyriakos]

Sure, but it still is surrounded by other emotion, which just is antithetical to the one it went against. By emotion i mean the impression your thoughts make on you. (edit: ofcourse emotion can be a lot more colourful and powerful, but an impression is also an emotion; anything which isnt entirely calculated at the time it is being thought of, is an emotion)

A basic example: someone is thinking of x+y=10. This is a math thought. However while thinking of it you feel something, albeit in your view what you feel is just what your thought is about. But another person would be feeling the x+y=10 in a very different way (due to the breakup of the concepts of x,y,=,10,math and various other things) so what you felt was totally distinct in a way to the actual thought.

 

[Perfection]

An advanced computing system of the type you mention has three major challanges as I see it:
1. Predicting complex human behavior
2. Assigning a moral value to wildly divergent and complex things things like human life and happyiness
3. Aquiring all the needed data to make a prudent decision

 

[HawkeyeGS]

say thear was a computer, that was 100 logical in every way.
it was not programed with emotion, with simpathy, or greed.
nothing put pure logic.

how efective whold it be ar runing a nation?

allso the question in the title?

i whold love a super computer to be put inchage of the world nuclear missels!

I believe that we as humans are essentially 100% logic. What we define as emotion and may appear illogical is in fact still logic (just different and not always right). The only reasons that computers are incapable of love are they have no need to reproduce in a sexual manner and they are limited by technology. I think if there was a sufficently advanced computer that was still 100% logical it would 'learn' to develop human qualities such as fear (otherwise it may jump off a cliff), comradship (to protect a fellow computer/receive protection) and even religion (to control other robots and people). We as humans do what we do for a reason but it is simply the fact that these actions were carried out thousands of years ago that we have forgotten the reasons and deny the existence of said reasons all in the name of being above reason (which we are not). Also remember there is not only boolean logic of true and false but also fuzzy logic which is closer to the human version. As for political leadership from a robot - sure it can't be worse than current leaders around the place. I think it would work if the human population allowed it but they will vote anyone in as has been proven.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Logic is a way of reasoning based on "true" and "false". Logic can be used to derive "equal truth levels" from statements. It's not a political system.

No: it would not be an effective political system as it is not a political system.
Logic is not always right. Logic derives "equal truth levels" as the original statements. If they are right; the conclusions as equally right.
Trouble is when the statements one begins with don't have the same truth level to begin with.

 

[Keshik]

say thear was a computer, that was 100 logical in every way.
it was not programed with emotion, with simpathy, or greed.
nothing put pure logic.

how efective whold it be ar runing a nation?

allso the question in the title?

i whold love a super computer to be put inchage of the world nuclear missels!

Would the computer have spell check?

 

[Ayatollah So]

Deductive logic, properly applied, always gives correct conclusions if the premises are correct. The trouble is, that's a big IF. The other trouble is, deductive logic doesn't get you very far.

Nondeductive logic doesn't even guarantee that true premises will lead to true conclusions. Also, as far as I know, computers with today's AI aren't particularly good at it. Most of the hard work in nondeductive logic consists in coming up with lots of plausible hypotheses. That requires both creativity and common sense, which are notoriously hard to program.

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

say thear was a computer, that was 100 logical in every way.
it was not programed with emotion, with simpathy, or greed.
nothing put pure logic.

how efective whold it be ar runing a nation?

allso the question in the title?

i whold love a super computer to be put inchage of the world nuclear missels!

Pretty effective, although you'd find some pretty strange results. I'd assume this AI would adhere to the law and Constitution strictly, so it would do things like cut federal subsidies for a certain industry that has absolutely no economic benefit, suddenly and without warning.

 

[shadow2k]

Logic is just one to view possible solutions. Humans have much more at their disposal.

Just think about Kasparov vs Deep Blue.

And what happens when someone hacks the computer?

 

[Caprice]

so it would do things like cut federal subsidies for a certain industry that has absolutely no economic benefit, suddenly and without warning.

*confused*

 

[Masquerouge]

i whold love a super computer to be put inchage of the world nuclear missels!

Does anyone else think this would be a terrible idea??

I don't. A computer is not likely to be depressed because its spouse left it, is not likely to have suicidal tendencies, or religious fanaticism, or a political agenda, all of the things that makes a human much, much, much more dangerous than a computer.

 

[Kozmos]

A la deus ex. Pure logic cannot work in this world of ours. Integration of an AI with a certain human being via nanotech so the AI can understand the human factor = 10 times better then pure logic.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

i whold love a super computer to be put inchage of the world nuclear missels!

May I direct you to this.