Is The UK Being Swamped By Immigrants?

Is The UK Being Swamped By Immigrants?

  • Yes, there are far too many immigrants being allowed into the UK

    Votes: 6 18.2%
  • No, but immigration is increasingly becoming a problem

    Votes: 6 18.2%
  • No, there has been an overreaction to immigration in Britain

    Votes: 16 48.5%
  • Don't know, don't care, the UK should build a large swamp for a new breed of underwater Giant Radioa

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • Total voters
    33
  • Poll closed .

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Eastern Europe is not the source of overwhelming immigration into the UK, figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) have suggested.
In 2002, 46,000 people moved to the UK from non-EU Europe - ex-communist states plus countries such as Turkey.

At the same time, 28,000 UK residents (including some who had previously migrated) moved there or returned.

For the EU as a whole, 90,000 moved here while 125,000 left Britain and moved to an EU member state.

The figures coincide with Tony Blair's review of immigration policy and with concerns about migration from countries that will join the EU on 1 May.

The figures do not reflect illegal migration, or people who overstay their short-term visitors' visas.

Political issue

With 10 new states joining the EU on 1 May - increasing its numbers to 25 - Mr Blair said the UK would be neither "fortress" nor "open door".

But the government is imposing restrictions on people who come to Britain without work and who seek social benefits like public housing.

It is also reducing the number of work permits for low-skilled jobs in the agricultural, hospitality and food processing sectors.

Mr Blair said concerns over migration could not just be dismissed as racism, and that a "top-to-bottom" look at the system was necessary.

"We need few reminders about what happens when the politics of immigration gets out of hand," he said.

'Economic migrants'

The UK has seen a huge increase in migration in the past decade, with the numbers arriving in the UK and staying for one year or more nearly doubling from 265,000 to 512,000.

But more people are both arriving into Britain and leaving the country.


In overall terms, after subtracting the roughly 300,000 Britons (and others) who move abroad each year, net immigration is now running at around 150,000 per year.

That has been a benefit to the British economy, according to the Treasury, which estimates that large-scale immigration boosts the rate of UK economic growth by 0.5% extra each year.

The ONS figures show that the bulk of immigrants are highly-skilled professionals or students.

And immigrants tend to be young, arriving at the economically active ages of 15-44.

Many economists believe that in the long-run a continuous influx of immigrants will help ease the "demographic time-bomb" as Britain becomes a society dominated by the old.

In twenty years time, one in five of the population will be over 65, demographers estimate.

Local pressures

But the new ONS figures also show that the majority of immigrants have settled in just a few parts of the UK, especially London and the South-east.

That has put a strain on local authorities, for example where many languages are spoken at school, although it has also added to the cultural diversity of the capital city.

And there are a growing number of migrants from non-Commonwealth and non-EU countries, for example from Asia, many of whom may be less familiar with the British way of life.

There is little evidence on past trends that an increase in the size of the EU has led to mass migration to the UK.

Indeed, during the last enlargement it was UK citizens who moved in increasing numbers to Spain.

Competing for skilled migrants

Most developed countries, including the UK, are trying to encourage more skilled migrants, especially those who only want to come on a temporary basis, while trying to cut down on the numbers of those who are believed to be an economic burden.

The UK's main instrument of immigration control in regard to work, the work permit system, is regarded as highly flexible and adaptable to changes in local labour market conditions.

And the demand for immigrant labour, at least in certain occupations like hotel and catering and construction, is likely to increase in the future even more.

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Is this quite a different story to one the British public is usually told. So, who is right? What do you think?
 
Immigration is clearly positive for the economy of the UK.
Britain has to invest massive ammounts of capital to get one citizen to graduate in College. "Importing" a skilled immigrant is like receiving the capital that another country invested in his education.

As for low-skilled immigrants, they are also needed, as in many european coutires there's a shortage of labour in certain areas like agriculture. But of course the number of those immigrants that eneter the UK has to be controlled.
 
First the Vikings, then the Normans, it really is getting a bit much. ;)
Apart from that, what Luiz said sums it up for me. I think we have mishandled the economic migrant situation poorly and to my mind we should have tougher controls on econmic migrants whilst welcoming immigrants who contirbute to our economy and society with open arms.
 
Compared to other European countries Brittain is definitly not being swamped.

Immigrants are no problem as long as the UK makes sure they integrate well into their society. And I think the UK is doing a fine job with that.

Better than my country anyways, but we are also changing.
 
The more Eastern European babes entering our land of ugly heffers, the better! :yeah:
 
I have to side with the Kitten here.

We were the hub of a great empire - And as such, our doors are open to the world.

After all, it done the Yankians no harm.
 
Yes, we must actively seek ways of preventing immigrants entering, and indeed ensure the immediate removal of those residing here. Please spare me the old facts about receiving only 1% of the immigrants worldwide, its still too many. I don't buy the old "we need skilled workers" one either. We are not idiots. We are more than capable of performing skilled jobs ourselves, despite what you may believe. They have also contributed to the destruction, deliberately or otherwise, of the old british feeling of community......GET EM OUT!
 
Immigration is not a problem and what people fail to realise is that it is actually good for the country and that with an aeging population it is a way of being able to maintain an active workforce.

It digusts me the way the right-wing media and those Tory Xenophophes are tryign to stir up the issue, playing into the hands of nationalists.

Views such as chancellor_dan has just posted are naive and based on fantasy, without immigration this country would face a crisis as the birth rate declines and life expetacancy increase, without these migrants providing a workforce this country would soon face a crisis as the government struggles to find the money to pay pensions and the economy declines as jobs remain unfilled.
 
Originally posted by chancellor_dan
Yes, we must actively seek ways of preventing immigrants entering, and indeed ensure the immediate removal of those residing here. Please spare me the old facts about receiving only 1% of the immigrants worldwide, its still too many. I don't buy the old "we need skilled workers" one either. We are not idiots. We are more than capable of performing skilled jobs ourselves, despite what you may believe. They have also contributed to the destruction, deliberately or otherwise, of the old british feeling of community......GET EM OUT!

Do you have a job?
- Feel free to lie.

Look at the amount of layabouts and Neds in Scotland, mate.

Why are they not working?
I think you better think about that before you choose to have a go at immigrants.
(who actually work hard to survive, day in, day out)

Get the demographics in order before you spew your junk.
 
Yes. Immigration & emigration are now very out of balance.

Contrary to propaganda from the pro-immigrant lobby, there
has not been an overall shortage of labour since the 1970s!

Although some immigrants are skilled and many work, most are usually employed because they can be sweated harder for less pay; thereby resulting in higher indigenous unemployment.

This also enables unviable industries to last just a little longer
(but hidden costs are not paid by them so not really a benefit), it enables employers to use people and equipment inefficiently and a wealthy few to make millions by depressing workers wages.

Britain is a very densely populated country and mass immigration contributes to overcrowding. This contributes to excessively high house prices, a shortage of homes to let and road congestion.

Land and water supplies are limited and fossil fuels will run out, so having a larger population and larger GNP, are not good things in themselves.

For every benefit, there is a downside too.

My own view is that the government should look for a stable situation with:

Number of Immigrants = Number of Emigrants
 
anyone know what a Ned is?
 
Originally posted by CurtSibling
I have to side with the Kitten here.

We were the hub of a great empire - And as such, our doors are open to the world.

After all, it done the Yankians no harm.

As a matter of fact, it propelled us into an industrialized nation with lots of railroads and factories. It gave our manpower quite a boost.:goodjob:

Edit: Though lately some come and then don't work
 
Originally posted by Hitro
Well, I'd think twice about that comparison, given that you'd be the natives in it...

No, he would be the English and Dutch (and some French), who had been there for a while.
 
Originally posted by chancellor_dan
and indeed ensure the immediate removal of those residing here.

Why?


Originally posted by chancellor_dan
We are not idiots.

The problem is, that as university educatuion becomes more accessible and the population ages, there is going to a be a serious defecit in terms of actual blue-collar workers.

Originally posted by chancellor_dan
They have also contributed to the destruction, deliberately or otherwise, of the old british feeling of community

How?

Originally posted by EdwardTking
has not been an overall shortage of labour since the 1970s!

This is a bit ridiculous. There have been serious defecits in various areas of skilled employment, and there are today.

The overall employment picture is irrelevant, and tells you nothing about where there are specific skills shortages.

Or do you believe that the current labour situation within The NHS is hunky-dory?

Originally posted by EdwardTking
Although some immigrants are skilled and many work, most are usually employed because they can be sweated harder for less pay; thereby resulting in higher indigenous unemployment.

This would only be true of immigraiton on a massive scale, and illegal immigration.

Originally posted by EdwardTking
Britain is a very densely populated country and mass immigration contributes to overcrowding. This contributes to excessively high house prices, a shortage of homes to let and road congestion.

The birthrate is falling, you know. Again with the mass-immigraiton point. You're following logic that only works on the premise that about 300,000 people are entering the coutnry a week.
 
Originally posted by emu
anyone know what a Ned is?

Non Educated Delinquent, the "gangzta" type

had to learn it here, too
 
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