drkodos
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And if so, what happens when you fall?
Is There Rock Climbing in Heaven?
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CurtSibling
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While some people will deride this thread as silly...
I find it equally as silly when religionists sit and discuss heaven and
the gods as some mundane thing that is virtually accepted and real.
It goes to show what wishful thinking and brainwashing can achieve.
I am hoping someone will try to answer the thread question...
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I find it equally as silly when religionists sit and discuss heaven and
the gods as some mundane thing that is virtually accepted and real.
It goes to show what wishful thinking and brainwashing can achieve.
I am hoping someone will try to answer the thread question...
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drkodos
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Of course, but I mean it as a sincere philosophical question. Since we have so many experts here on the matter, I am hoping one of them can elucidate me on the subject.
Because, as an avid rock climber, maybe I need to rethink my understanding of what happens after life because I realy enjoy rock climbing and would love to do it for a perpetual eternity.
Of course, the real excitement comes from the challenge it presents in risk management, so I am not sure how that little major component would be handled, but I am sure someone which more wisdom and knowledge of the afterlife and the rules that govern its physicality will make all that clear.
Why couldn't you rock climb in Heaven? Is there something inherently sinful in rock climbing, that makes it impossible for you to do in the presence of a perfect God? I honestly don't see why you couldn't go rock climbing, or skydiving or scuba diving, or any number of extreme sports on the New Earth. Nothing in the Bible says you can't, at least.
As for what would happen, we really don't know, but I would assume that you wouldn't die, since Christians are promised eternal bodies in Heaven. So either you wouldn't be hurt, or you wouldn't be hurt seriously and would heal quickly, or you'd be given a new body if you destroyed it. (I think the last is the least likely, and the second the most.)
I don't think wanting to go rock climbing for eternity is a truly valid reason to accept Christ; but I don't see any theological problem with the idea that you could go rock climbing in Heaven.
As for what would happen, we really don't know, but I would assume that you wouldn't die, since Christians are promised eternal bodies in Heaven. So either you wouldn't be hurt, or you wouldn't be hurt seriously and would heal quickly, or you'd be given a new body if you destroyed it. (I think the last is the least likely, and the second the most.)
I don't think wanting to go rock climbing for eternity is a truly valid reason to accept Christ; but I don't see any theological problem with the idea that you could go rock climbing in Heaven.
I find very little of the enjoyment in rock climbing comes from either risk management or from risk taking. The risk management is simply a necessary skill in order to enjoy climbing without it being risk taking behaviour. Increased adrenaline can definitely be fun, but the adrenaline is not increasing due to actual risk.
So I would assume it is similar to what happens when you fall now, with the risk of negative consequences being nil rather than minimal. Then again, trying to marry the concepts of 'still got free will' & 'it's paradise, so there are no negative consequences' is one of the major stumbling blocks for most views of heaven.
So I would assume it is similar to what happens when you fall now, with the risk of negative consequences being nil rather than minimal. Then again, trying to marry the concepts of 'still got free will' & 'it's paradise, so there are no negative consequences' is one of the major stumbling blocks for most views of heaven.
drkodos
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Well, one of the main points in rock climbing is to manage the risk of death. Since there is no chance of death or injury, much of the fun would be removed.
AND if everyone would be able to perform at the same level, there would be no challenge to do it anymore. Knowing that one would always succeed would truly sap the essence of the pursuit, and render it meaningless (to any real climbers, that is). And of that were the case, how would that version of heaven appeal to such people? They would be bored, and rather quickly.
Are you unable to see the conundrum?
Bartleby
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If you fall, I presume you go to Hell.
A more important question is is there whisky in heaven?.
A more important question is is there whisky in heaven?.
drkodos
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Are you a climber? If so, you would know that risk management is what it is all about (unless you are merely a sport climber -- which is neither.)
People that put their lives at risk to scale Nanga Parbat would disagree with you 100%. People that climb indoors at gyms would tend to agree with you, but they are hardly "rock climbers."
It's all about the challenge. Fore knowledge of success renders the entire pursuit moot.
Why would it be less fun with no risk of death? I'm confident that I won't die when I go ride on a roller coaster - and some of those are pretty fun.
Who says everyone would be able to perform at the same level? You assumed that, I never said it. I think that's wrong, actually.
drkodos
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I can merely speak for myself here, unlike so many others that post.
Putting my life on the edge is what fires the adrenal glands and makes it exciting. I do not toprope, because there is less chance of death or aggregious injury. I prefer running it over over long expanses of unprotectable rock where any mistake could be fatal. When this challenge is met, I find the deepest reward.
I have found through actual experience that climbing under conditions that are mostly safe is broing and not challenging whatsoever.
Therefore, I am leary that rock climbing in heaven would be able to provide for me what I need to get from it. As such, what would be the point in doing something if the very reason for doing it is removed?
Are you also a self-designated leader of the rock climbing movement?
One of them Sure, why not.
No doubt, I am the self appointed leader of the drkodos school of athiest rock climbing. Was there ever any doubt about that?
CurtSibling
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Can I still be an atheist in heaven?
![[pissed]](/images/smilies/pissed.gif "Pissed [pissed]")
Watch who you're accusing of sticking to plastic holds.I am a climber, I used to be a reasonably serious climber, although lack of ability gets in the way a bit. Canyoning and caving are more fun.
Sure, it's all about the challenge. But the challenge of a given climb is not 'can I still be alive and injury free at the end of the day?' The challenge is 'Can I climb this thing?' Being alive at the end of the day's climbing is fairly trivial, because my risk management, and my risk minimisation is very good. Accidents can still happen, and gumby beginners can still cause all sorts of unique problems, but it's not interesting or fun because it is risky. In some cases the increased risk that can't be minimised will add to the feeling of accomplishment, i.e. climbing Everest, K2 or similar, but it's not a case of more risk = more fun. If it was, I wouldn't be bothering with things like ropes, harnesses, or any other protection.
And yet you presume to speak for all rock climbers, and know why they climb?
Urederra
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But you have wings in heaven, haven't you? So you can simply fly up.
drkodos
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I think I stated just the opposite.
Again, how long have you been climbing? Outside. On real rocks. Putting in protection and using gear to minimize risk?
Ever read any John Long?
Reinhold Messner?
Todd Skinner?
Ever been to the summit of an 8,000 meter peak?
Or even up the Captain? or Smith Rocks?
Or how about one of my favorite venues, the Blues Mtns or even Arapiles?
Peter Croft ring any bells? Read some of his writing on the subject when he did the Pallisades Traverse. Many climbers free solo, and it is considered the purest form of the sport.
But you have wings in heaven, haven't you? So you can simply fly up.
We have a winner!
I would be surprised if everyone were able to perform at the same level. I think that would constitute the "clone theory" of heaven, the theory that we are all alike, and something I see no scriptural basis for. Give God some credit. He made us all different down here. Why would he make us all clones up there?
I still think you need a new dictionary.
is not just the opposite, unless by 'opposite' you mean 'same'.
First climb was about 15 years ago. First lead climb was about 13 years ago.
Messner yes, no to the others. Had a long conversation with Tim McCartney-Snape though.
Nope, our country is very short on them.
Also nope, wrong country again. Smith Rocks I haven't heard of, Captain doesn't interest me much, I don't find aid climbing much fun. If I'm going to do that sort of stuff, I'd rather do it in a cave.
Is there any point to this pissing contest, or are you just going with the 'I know what all rockclimbers get out of climbing, because I'm a better climber who can drop more names than you?'
Miles Teg
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Lets compare. Standing in the presence of the creator of the universe. Rock climbing. Hmm... Standing in the presence of the creator of the universe. Rock climbing. 
.This is really a question? Creator of the universe for me.
.This is really a question? Creator of the universe for me.MjM
Deity
Lets compare. Standing in the presence of the creator of the universe. Rock climbing. Hmm... Standing in the presence of the creator of the universe. Rock climbing.
Rock Climbing is so much better, because standing in the present of some molecules about to explode millions of times there size and will expand for an extremely long time isn't a good thing to stand next to!
