Is There Rock Climbing in Heaven?

[rysingsun]

So then Al, when you die, what exactly happens to your, um, to you? I mean, do you get a new body or not? And is this new body in a place or not?

 

[Jawz II]

I've known people who are happy most of the time and I've known people who are sad or angry or fearful most of the time. So I have trouble with this "homeostasis of happiness" sort of philosophy.

Are you actually comparing someone being "happy most of the time" with heaven and "sad or angry or fearful most of the time" with hell?

I have trouble with this comparison.

 

[IglooDame]

If you'd rather have eternal torment rather than eternal bliss, that's your call. I know which one I've chosen, and it isn't the first one.

But see that's my point, to you and for that matter to drkodos - God is pretty familiar with human nature, and I'd imagine that he's figured out that some people aren't perfectly blissful when they're abiding by the rules. Heaven being a reward for following the rules, does it not make sense that those rules would show right back up. To think that there are going to be morality rules (or conventional thought processes) beyond the pearly gates strikes me as a sort of hubris-based ethnocentrism.

This is aside from the relatively minor point of taking drugs not necessarily being immoral - Jesus himself provided some wine to folks, and I'm betting he didn't card everybody at the wedding.

 

[Red Door]

So then Al, when you die, what exactly happens to your, um, to you? I mean, do you get a new body or not? And is this new body in a place or not?

Your soul goes up to heaven with God, assuming God wants you in heaven. The body stays on Earth. Only 2 people have risen, body and soul, and they would be Mary and Jesus.

 

[Jawz II]

Relatively minor? Thanks alot.

That point goes for everything BTW, wild evil crazy sex, or me shooting people.

God can give me a bunch of those people in hell. theyre gonna be tormented any how, might as well be me flying by and shooting them.

 

[Nick Garai]

Why would you want to climb when you could fly?

 

[Urederra]

I am going to have my navel removed, so everybody will call me daddy in Heaven.

 

[warpus]

Hmm I would have to say yes, unless you start humping the rocks while you climb.. then you get banished to hell.

 

[rysingsun]

Are you actually comparing someone being "happy most of the time" with heaven and "sad or angry or fearful most of the time" with hell?

I have trouble with this comparison.

no, i'm just saying that i don't think you have to have regular doses of unhappiness mixed with your happiness in order to continue to be happy. i guess it helps if we at least maintain the memory of what unhappiness could be like. since heaven entails immortality, presumably it also entails robustness of memory for our previous lives here along with its frequent unhappiness.

while i'm busy quoting you...

I dont belive in heaven, but if there was a place like that, I think the only way for people to enjoy it is to be truly free. Free to do whatever they like.

This corresponds with what Christians are tought to expect:

1It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.

Those who have their sins forgiven will also shed their sinful natures. Having shed the sinful nature God can then trust us with freedom. It is much the same as if you have a wife of very good character and you love her that you trust her with freedom, because you know she wouldn't do anything stupid. In heaven we will be trustworthy and God will trust us.

 

[rysingsun]

Your soul goes up to heaven with God, assuming God wants you in heaven. The body stays on Earth. Only 2 people have risen, body and soul, and they would be Mary and Jesus.

Consider the following..

So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

Mary???

/tangent ... and my apologies for my recent habit of making consecutive posts ..

 

[Bill3000]

In heaven we will be trustworthy and God will trust us.

If we "will" be trustworthy, then that implies a lack of choice in the matter of being trustworthy. Thus it is a violation of free will.

 

[rysingsun]

If we "will" be trustworthy, then that implies a lack of choice in the matter of being trustworthy. Thus it is a violation of free will.

i know that God is trustworthy and i know he has free will.

besides that, right now we have the free will to believe and be forgiven or not believe and not be forgiven.

 

[Red Door]

Consider the following..



Mary???

/tangent ... and my apologies for my recent habit of making consecutive posts ..

Definetly Mary by the looks of it. I really need to take a closer look at the context to determine though.

 

[Synobun]

Rock climbing in the better place? Of course! If you do fall, well, you would feel no pain whatsoever, since well, it is the better place, where no pain is felt at all.

 

[CaptainF]

Well, if you want some sort of greivous punishment held over you to avoid whilst rockclimbing, just think that God is watching you climb for amusement and if you screw up he will slap you with a lightning bolt.

 

[Bill3000]

i know that God is trustworthy and i know he has free will.

besides that, right now we have the free will to believe and be forgiven or not believe and not be forgiven.

Irrelevant. You said that "humans will be trustworthy [in heaven towards God]". Do you mean that humans cannot be untrustworthy in heaven towards God? If such, this is not a choice, and thus it implies the lack of free will.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Of course, but I mean it as a sincere philosophical question. Since we have so many experts here on the matter, I am hoping one of them can elucidate me on the subject.

Because, as an avid rock climber, maybe I need to rethink my understanding of what happens after life because I realy enjoy rock climbing and would love to do it for a perpetual eternity.

Of course, the real excitement comes from the challenge it presents in risk management, so I am not sure how that little major component would be handled, but I am sure someone which more wisdom and knowledge of the afterlife and the rules that govern its physicality will make all that clear.

I don't think that Heaven is literally "up in the sky," or anywhere physically present, for that matter. Thus, you wouldn't be able to "fall" down from Heaven. We keep telling you the Bible is allegorical, do you think we really believe that Satan resides in the planet's core, and that sinners are doomed to enteral suffering inside molten nickel? Or that Heaven is a place high in the sky, with clouds and other nonsense? I doubt it. I'm not pretending to understand anymore than anybody else does or can, but rather to explain what I do understand.

Basically, Heaven isn't going to be found at the top of a mountain, as you are imagining it to be. To be honest, though, I'm sure you already understand this, and just started this thread to try and make theists look like fools, as they try to rush and prove there is a heaven. That's a rather sick pleasure, I hope you feel more manly now that you've gotten that ego boost.

 

[Jawz II]

no, i'm just saying that i don't think you have to have regular doses of unhappiness mixed with your happiness in order to continue to be happy. i guess it helps if we at least maintain the memory of what unhappiness could be like. since heaven entails immortality, presumably it also entails robustness of memory for our previous lives here along with its frequent unhappiness.

Actually yes, you were making that comparison, but that dosent matter, Im sure you would have to feel unhappiness to enjoy happiness.

How would you know youre happy, if youve never been unhappy (or havent felt unhappiness for a very long time)?

Dosent "happiness" become your default setting? so being happy becomes just being to you.

I dont have a constant shooting pain in my eyes. I dont appreciate not having this pain at all, I just automitacilly assume I wont when I wake up in the morning. And I dont feel grateful or happy for not having that pain either.

Im sure I would, for a long time at least, if I suffered from shooting pain in my eyes for a day or two.