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[MacAttack]

what, you think he is immortal?

 

[Borachio]

No.

But you said

when he dies and attempts to go into heaven and his access is denied.

I'm not questioning that he will die. Everything points to he will. It's the rest of the sentence dependent on the "when" I was questioning.

I mean, I see what you mean. It's just not obvious to me that he will attempt to go to heaven and that his access will be denied.

 

[MacAttack]

I misunderstood what you were asking, I didn't mean to come across as facetious.

I am going on the assumption that he believes that his actions on Earth will earn him the right to enter Heaven. I am also assuming that murderers are denied entrance into heaven without repentance. That is based on my beliefs.

 

[Borachio]

In fact, you didn't come across as facetious to me. I had a bit of a brain fart myself, there.

And I can accept that those are your beliefs. Though they seem to verge on being a bit more than belief when you use the word "when", but never mind. That's just me, I guess.

Still, what makes you think he won't repent?

 

[MacAttack]

To quote V for Vendetta's Dominic Stone: " Well, he's a terrorist. You can't expect him to act like you or me."

 

[Borachio]

I don't see why not.

We all have to face our own deaths one way or another.

 

[r16]

the Iranian offensive into Tikrit must be hurting , Turkish TVs last night were all full of debates on Iranian designs . There's hardly any shame left in Turkey with people now supporting the notion the Nation State , despite the come back as faciliated by the Russian ops against the Ukranians , is still dead now that Iran acts only on secterian lines . As if they weren't the ones who took the "weight" of Turkey from that equation and jumped in like totally as if their being Sunni would mean anything . It's all big talk ; with the Voice of the Counter-Revolution overheard during zapping that the notion of State only serves the Military-Industrial Complex . Says the proffessor who once had such a swell time "tearing dictionaries" sitting next to the former Adviser to the PM / now the dean of an university . Who , in his glory , had shook hands with the Jewish Lobby in Washington D.C. to bring official Antisemitism to Turkey ; so that our sunnier Sunni Brothers would be most encouraged to rise , with a belief that there would be courageous men in Ankara to protect them from Iranians ...

 

[Tigranes]

^^ If anyone understood the point please provide translation!

Meanwhile

The Kurdish region's Security Council said in a statement to Reuters that the peshmerga had taken soil and clothing samples after an Islamic State suicide bombing in northern Iraq in January. It said laboratory analysis showed "the samples contained levels of chlorine that suggested the substance was used in weaponized form."

"The fact ISIS relies on such tactics demonstrates it has lost the initiative and is resorting to desperate measures," the Kurdish government said in the statement, using an alternate acronym for the Sunni militant group.


The Jan. 23 suicide car bombing took place on a highway between Mosul and the Syrian border where peshmerga forces were preparing defensive positions after a two-day offensive, the statement said.

A Kurdish security source said that the peshmerga fired a rocket at the car carrying the bomb so there were no casualties from the incident except for the suicide bomber.

About a dozen peshmerga fighters experienced symptoms of nausea, vomiting, dizziness or weakness, the source said.

The statement said the analysis was carried out in a European Union-certified laboratory after the soil and samples were sent by the Kurdish Regional Government to a "partner nation" in the U.S.-led coalition that is fighting Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria.

The source described the samples as "leftovers from the suicide bomber", but declined to identify the laboratory.

Iraq's Kurds were the victims of the deadliest chemical attack of modern times when Saddam Hussein's air force bombed the town of Halabja in 1988, gassing at least 5,000 people to death.

 

[Agent327]

And meanwhile in Syria:

Since the beginning of anti-government protests in March 2011, Syrian authorities have subjected tens of thousands of people to arbitrary arrests, unlawful detentions, enforced disappearances, ill-treatment, and torture using an extensive network of detention facilities, an archipelago of torture centers, scattered throughout Syria.

Full summary: http://www.hrw.org/node/108415/section/2

 

[r16]

it turns out the legal investigations to the charges that the Turkish Special Forces Command had assigned a Lieutenant Colonel and a Major to assassinate the Deputy Prime Minister is just yet another "fiasco" . With the explanation that it was yet another Congregation plot . With the juicy addition of the thing the copies of an computer hard-drive of 1.5 TB , which kinda equates to 120 million pages , are missing . No doubt in the hands of Foreign Intelligence services . Hence the Voice of the Counter-Revolution is overheard once again that the Congregation can not be this smart with everysingle move towards Democracy in Turkey hitting a singularly important structure that might have been gainfully employed in the coming existantial fighting of the Turks . There are indeed plans to lock us all to camps and exterminate us on an industrial scale , with the plight of 1915 events providing a suitable "They deserve it!" thing . In addition to the sufferings of the gods of wars and the shiny uniforms . The Kurds for those who actually need a hint ... Oh yeah , the Voice of the Counter-Revolution now declares it has to be work of long experienced people , and not of the Party -the brothers in thievery with the Congregation . The fall-out of course stems from the thing that the PM and the spiritual head of the Congregation could not agree on whom was to become the Caliph after the PM got the presidency . But no , as the head of the Marmara branch of the Hülya Koçyiğit and just a few are not traitors committee , she has to tread very carefully ; when the seperatists got their autonomous stuff on the way to complete "statehood" , people would need Federalism to justify it all and she might yet become the State Governor of Marmara . You certainly can not hear the thing from her . Should have spent more time before zapping but there was Rocky III on some satellite channel ; for almost a decade Mr. T was the personification of evil for me . Before ı deduced it was just a 9 to 5 job even if the guy had apparently had smashed a guy on a fire hydrant as a club bouncer ...

she being the daughter of a guy recently demised . Apparently there was a vote on him and Somebody as in Mr.Somebody voted for his recognition as an "American hero" with a suitable burial place . Now that Mahir Kaynak's "Patriotism" cemented with catching CIA moles and stuff . An American oldtimer was approached and this is a guy who carried a few of friends from the DMZ and spends quite a long time looking for names on the black marble wall . The American declined and not on professional grounds ; this dude takes Arlington seriously .

also in the news : The Turkish Intelligence services under a flood of charges that they support ISIL by all means have caught a "Canadian" spy , who supposedly took 3 teenage UK citizens across the border to Syria where they presumably will be most handy in some field commander's harem . This is the essence of the new Turkey . Instead of a mythical even handed approach that answers reapproaches with 50 tons of Mk.8...s from Phantoms this country has gone full tilt on supporting "Freedom Fighters" with the really expected results of misery and failure . So much that they had to re-name a street in Istanbul in the name of Qatar ; they were supposed to rule the Middle East instead of licking Qatari feet . Much assidiously helped by the Voice of the Counter-Revolution who was no doubt the inspiration for the PM who now declares for the benefit of the country , it's gotta be managed as a corporation . If Sultan seems archaic , CEO must sound modern ?

 

[r16]

and one would expect people paying attention and offer a "Good Job!" after the news that the Russians include Armenia in their Air Defence exercises taking place in 19 locations in answer to a NATO thing in the Black Sea . Vladimir Putin and his MiGs and Sukhois count a bit more than anything Kim Kardashian can possibly have , but then Russians are kinda out of fashion these days , right ? Don't worry , you know Russians are the biggest fans of the F-4 ...

 

[Domen]

When I was younger, I used to think that, in this modern day and age, such atrocities as those committed daily by ISIS were mostly behind us. And that, if they did happen, someone would step in to stop the perpetrators. I mean, nobody would just sit back and let genocidal slavers wreak havoc in the 21st century, right? After the "never again" mentality engendered by the Holocaust and other events?

Ha. Ha ha. Ha.

But what modern day and age ??? Do you mean the 21st century ???

In the Muslim world they currently have year 1436 of the 15th century.

Apparently it is not the case just on paper, but also in civilizational terms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar

After the "never again" mentality engendered by the Holocaust and other events?

Why do you even think that the Holocaust had any impact on the Muslim world ???

It was taking place only in German-controlled parts of Europe. Not in the Middle East.

 

[Angst]

What does that have to do with Indonesia Domen?

 

[Domen]

And what did Ethiopia / Axum or Ireland have to do with the Crusades and with the Holy Inquisition ???

 

[Angst]

Exactly.

EDIT: More seriously, IS is actually not very "medieval" in their proceedings. They have developed along with us, but in a different direction. It's important to note, as well, that their cosmology doesn't match with most Muslims; one particular reason for their shocking brutality and random destruction is because of a kind of indifference to everything nonserving of the Kingdom of God, as they believe in the coming of the Apocalypse, and soonish.

 

[Tigranes]

and one would expect people paying attention and offer a "Good Job!" after the news that the Russians include Armenia in their Air Defence exercises taking place in 19 locations in answer to a NATO thing in the Black Sea . Vladimir Putin and his MiGs and Sukhois count a bit more than anything Kim Kardashian can possibly have , but then Russians are kinda out of fashion these days , right ? Don't worry , you know Russians are the biggest fans of the F-4 ...

What do Kardashians have to do here? Most Armenians do not even count them as Armenians. Armenia is hosting Russian military base, and by the way things are not very mellow now. One crazy Russian soldier killed entire family of 7.

 

[Gucumatz]

Exactly.

EDIT: More seriously, IS is actually not very "medieval" in their proceedings. They have developed along with us, but in a different direction. It's important to note, as well, that their cosmology doesn't match with most Muslims; one particular reason for their shocking brutality and random destruction is because of a kind of indifference to everything nonserving of the Kingdom of God, as they believe in the coming of the Apocalypse, and soonish.

There was an interesting article from the Atlantic that was posted quite a bit back on this thread that argued that IS was actually trying very hard to adhere to medieval traditions, which is something that makes their actions ever harder for us to understand [even if their reasons for doing so are very modern].

Edit found the link from earlier in this thread:
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

 

[r16]

What do Kardashians have to do here? Most Armenians do not even count them as Armenians. Armenia is hosting Russian military base, and by the way things are not very mellow now. One crazy Russian soldier killed entire family of 7.

so and so . Unfortunately for the Armenian "thesis" that's exactly how things are . ı don't have the leaning to suggest you didn't suffer at all ; but the whole instinct , belief and kinda stuff to offer the thing that your numbers are way off . But to the outer world , meaning anybody but you (and us , the enemy of kinda all) you are just a pawn in the game to be played . As soon as Barack Hussein finds some spine or else welcomes Jeb , the Gloriousest of All , His Majesties the Bush III to the Whitey Home . The Pensylvania 1600 thing is just a house painted white ; you will know this if you are reading Turkish newspapers . But then it would still be nice if you actually gave some credit to the guys who are kinda willing to see the wrong end of some Phantoms , spewing 20mm fire , just to ensure that Moscow can keep your "thesis" in the game .

 

[r16]

And what did Ethiopia / Axum or Ireland have to do with the Crusades and with the Holy Inquisition ???

how about the thing about finding a land route to this guy named Peter who was ruling over the richest country and whose treasures just waited to be plucked by them plucky Westerners ?

 

[Domen]

The IS is so successful because the Iraqi army consists of clowns, not soldiers (if this video is not fake):


Link to video.