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That's indeed horrible. In light of the current events in Europe, I think it is of some importance that she met the Iraqi man at a refugee center. And we might as well throw in the unpleasant detail that she is 15 and he 39.
MacAttack
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Here it says 39. Whatever, the gist is the same.
Which is why such material might be considered unsuitable without parental guidance. Or simply unsuitable period.
That's a completely bizarre conclusion. If only because Islam doesn't have leaders, and the Muslim Brotherhood is not representative of 'the Islam.'
MacAttack
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Agreed, that age gap is ridiculous
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Well, it is normal from Islamic point of view. You are allowed to consummate marriage if your wife reached 9 yo whatever your age is. Also you can have female sex slaves taken as war trophy.
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a two bit Russian military mission with some 8 or 10 APCs and supposedly half a dozen tanks , with rumoured presence of dinky toy MiGs has induced the allmighty US make phone calls to Moscow . Now they say Esad might remain for a week or so . There was this thing in 2012 or 13 that Esad might loose the elections of 2014 . America chose sunnier Sunni Brothers and their ways of conquest . Esad might go in the next elections , but Americans do not get to tell who goes and who goes not . Is anybody telling Kerry or Barack Hussein should hand in their resignations ? Nobody gives a single moment of care about the loss of face for the US . America's beef is with Turks , what's the point of killing all those Brown people through proxy warfare ? You even established this "Northern Syria" where they can support their glorious campaigns "upnorth" ...
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Anyway. What's the news on that gas pipeline the Qataris wanted to build across Syria, and that Assad didn't want, and the backing the US gave to Syrian rebels in order to remove Assad, and the Russians who supported Assad because they don't want a competitor to Gazprom supplying Europe?
That pipeline. Is the deal finally off now?
That pipeline. Is the deal finally off now?
I can't imagine there are many people left in the pipeline-building business in Syria!
I read today that half of the pre-war Syrian population is currently dead or in exile. It may not be an exaggeration to say that this is the closest to the physical destruction of a country that has happened in world history.
Moderator Action: Long tangent about Islam and fascism split into its own thread. Please go there to continue that discussion. This thread is about the Islamic State.
Well, in exile mostly. Casualty estimates range from 140-330,000. Of an estimated 23 million citizens (2013), UNHCR estimates show 7,6 million internal refugees and 4 million exiles as of July 2015.
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the gas pipeline is a Western invention to hide that they are allowing and enabling Wahhabi extremism to kill and plunder at will . If the Gulf wanted to supply gas to Europe they can easily do it with ships or a line to Egypt which is bound to be safest route now that Cairo is so unlikely to cross Western interests . Comes up regularly in strategy sites , as soon as anybody questions how come the Kurds come up shining everytime a Nation State gets plastered on -uhm- issues of Human Rights . You know , even Libya serves ; with assurances of construction projects to balance the budget after the loss of the quarter of the country .
Ah, I didn't realise that so many of them were still in Syria - though presumably most of those are trying to leave?
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(CNN) After a prolonged spell of silence, al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has come alive with a series of audio messages. And they're raising a few eyebrows because -- in two separate messages -- al-Zawahiri has extended an olive branch to ISIS, even while describing ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's "caliphate" as illegitimate.
For nearly two years, al Qaeda and ISIS have fought an unusually public battle for supremacy in the global jihadist movement. Al Qaeda disowned ISIS early in 2014 because al-Baghdadi ignored its directive to stay out of Syria. And its affiliate in Syria, Jabhat al Nusra, is viscerally hostile to ISIS.
Now al-Zawahiri has urged all jihadists in Iraq and Syria to cooperate in the face of a common enemy. And if his words are heeded -- though it's a big "if" -- they could herald a real change on the Syrian battlefield, where the Bashar al-Assad regime has benefited from perennial infighting among rebel groups.
It's not clear when al-Zawahiri's messages were recorded, but the first, posted on September 9, included references to Taliban leader Mullah Omar without acknowledging his death -- and appears to have been produced in March or April.
In it, al-Zawahiri speaks at length about how al-Baghdadi has split the Muslim community, the "sedition that al-Baghdadi and those with him seek to raise among the ranks of the mujahideen ... assigning themselves as guardians of the Muslims without consultation" in declaring the caliphate.
In fact, much of the 45-minute recording is spent berating al-Baghdadi. "We do not acknowledge this caliphate," Zawahiri says, according to a translation by the SITE Intelligence Group. "Instead, it is an emirate of taking over without consultation, and Muslims are not obligated to pledge allegiance to it."
A truce or, worse, cooperation between al Qaeda and ISIS would be bad news for the Assad regime, the United States and many rebel groups in Syria. In a briefing issued Sunday, the Institute for the Study of War says that "tactical or operational cooperation between ISIS and al-Qaeda is a dangerous scenario that may lead to a spike in global terrorist attacks against Western targets and could significantly undermine coalition attempts to regain terrain from ISIS in northern Syria."
In his speech released Sunday, al-Zawahiri called on Muslims in the West to launch attacks on "the homes and cities of the crusader West, and specifically America."
Any response from either al Nusra or ISIS to al-Zawahiri's lectures should provide an indication of whether -- yet again -- his words will fall on stony ground, or whether there is room for coexistence and cooperation.
For nearly two years, al Qaeda and ISIS have fought an unusually public battle for supremacy in the global jihadist movement. Al Qaeda disowned ISIS early in 2014 because al-Baghdadi ignored its directive to stay out of Syria. And its affiliate in Syria, Jabhat al Nusra, is viscerally hostile to ISIS.
Now al-Zawahiri has urged all jihadists in Iraq and Syria to cooperate in the face of a common enemy. And if his words are heeded -- though it's a big "if" -- they could herald a real change on the Syrian battlefield, where the Bashar al-Assad regime has benefited from perennial infighting among rebel groups.
It's not clear when al-Zawahiri's messages were recorded, but the first, posted on September 9, included references to Taliban leader Mullah Omar without acknowledging his death -- and appears to have been produced in March or April.
In it, al-Zawahiri speaks at length about how al-Baghdadi has split the Muslim community, the "sedition that al-Baghdadi and those with him seek to raise among the ranks of the mujahideen ... assigning themselves as guardians of the Muslims without consultation" in declaring the caliphate.
In fact, much of the 45-minute recording is spent berating al-Baghdadi. "We do not acknowledge this caliphate," Zawahiri says, according to a translation by the SITE Intelligence Group. "Instead, it is an emirate of taking over without consultation, and Muslims are not obligated to pledge allegiance to it."
A truce or, worse, cooperation between al Qaeda and ISIS would be bad news for the Assad regime, the United States and many rebel groups in Syria. In a briefing issued Sunday, the Institute for the Study of War says that "tactical or operational cooperation between ISIS and al-Qaeda is a dangerous scenario that may lead to a spike in global terrorist attacks against Western targets and could significantly undermine coalition attempts to regain terrain from ISIS in northern Syria."
In his speech released Sunday, al-Zawahiri called on Muslims in the West to launch attacks on "the homes and cities of the crusader West, and specifically America."
Any response from either al Nusra or ISIS to al-Zawahiri's lectures should provide an indication of whether -- yet again -- his words will fall on stony ground, or whether there is room for coexistence and cooperation.
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Looks like Al-Qaida is looking to become IS' vassal if these are true.
Let's not overestimate IS now. While al Qaeda can actually boast an international network (which is hardly affected by the murder of its former leader), IS is so far limited to outside sympathisers. Meanwhile misled jihadists are coming forward after having witnessed (and having participated in?) IS terror firsthand. I don't remember reading anything similar in all the years al Qaeda has been around. Unlike IS they are quite clear about their objectives. Most likely al Qaeda leadership has come to see IS can be useful in some ways. The fact that this latest proposal is aired rather indicates that no negotiations up til this point have resulted in anything tangible.
Meanwhile, after Russian military supplies and planes have arrived in Syria, the Assad regime is actively attacking IS positions in Palmyra.
Meanwhile, after Russian military supplies and planes have arrived in Syria, the Assad regime is actively attacking IS positions in Palmyra.
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PARIS — In France’s first airstrikes against Islamic State militants in Syria, warplanes destroyed a training camp, President François Hollande announced on Sunday.
At a news conference in New York, where he had arrived for the United Nations General Assembly, Mr. Hollande said that the warplanes had attacked the training camp in eastern Syria after it had been identified by French air surveillance with help from the coalition of Western and Middle Eastern states conducting the air campaign against the Islamic State, also known as ISIS, ISIL or Daesh.
“Our forces reached their objectives: The camp was completely destroyed,” Mr. Hollande said. “Six jets were used, including five Rafales, and they were able to ensure that our operation did not have any consequences for the civilian population.”
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At a news conference in New York, where he had arrived for the United Nations General Assembly, Mr. Hollande said that the warplanes had attacked the training camp in eastern Syria after it had been identified by French air surveillance with help from the coalition of Western and Middle Eastern states conducting the air campaign against the Islamic State, also known as ISIS, ISIL or Daesh.
“Our forces reached their objectives: The camp was completely destroyed,” Mr. Hollande said. “Six jets were used, including five Rafales, and they were able to ensure that our operation did not have any consequences for the civilian population.”
Link to video.
