Islam & Women's Rights (With Quotes)

[Traitorfish]

Why do you think that "politics" exclusively denotes electoralism?

 

[BasketCase]

Yeah, nice try. Racial killings are not motivated by politics, they're motivated by race, and that's the end of that.

 

[Traitorfish]

Race is political. Even if white conservatives have a habit of trying to depoliticise it.

 

[BasketCase]

No it isn't. Racism is racial.

 

[Traitorfish]

If race is political, then the racial is political, so that doesn't actually contradict anything I've said.

 

[Silurian]

The KKK aren't terrorists, and that nasty business between Protestants and Catholics in the UK doesn't contain any suicide bombings.

From Wiki

On 24 October 1990, members of the IRA's Derry City Brigade took over Gillespie's house.[8] While his family was held at gunpoint, he was forced to drive his car to a rural spot on the other side of the border in County Donegal.[8] Gillespie was then put in a van loaded with 1,000 pounds (450 kg) of explosives and told to drive to the Coshquin permanent border checkpoint on Buncrana Road.[8][7] An armed IRA team followed him by car to ensure he obeyed their commands.[6] Four minutes from the checkpoint, the IRA team armed the bomb remotely.[6] When Gillespie reached the checkpoint, at 3:55 AM,[6] he tried to get out and warn the soldiers, but the bomb detonated while he was still in the driver's seat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_bomb

The second hunger strike took place in 1981 and was a showdown between the prisoners and the Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher. One hunger striker, Bobby Sands, was elected as a Member of Parliament during the strike, prompting media interest from around the world.[2] The strike was called off after ten prisoners had starved themselves to death

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Irish_hunger_strike

So the IRA forced people to drive car bombs which were designed to kill the driver.
The IRA and INLA starved themselves to death for political gain.

If people are willing to starve themselves and force others to be "suicide bombers" they could have driven the cars themselves if sufficiently high value targets were available.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

What's so special about suicide bombers?

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

What's so special about suicide bombers?

I dunno, but apparently it's what makes Islam evil and other religions not. Even though Christians in Uganda are actively engaged in genocide. Yup. Suicide bombers sure are worse!

 

[kochman]

What's so special about suicide bombers?

I think it's more the idea behind what inspires it that matters...
The Koran instructs people they will get 72+ virgins if they die a martyr, which can include killing oneself while killing infidels, in the minds of the retards who do it and tell other retards to do it.

I never judge a religion based on the actions of individuals with a religion, as oppositeidiot is doing, but rather on the message/current interpretation of the religion.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

I think it's more the idea behind what inspires it that matters...
The Koran instructs people they will get 72+ virgins if they die a martyr, which can include killing oneself while killing infidels, in the minds of the retards who do it and tell other retards to do it.

I never judge a religion based on the actions of individuals with a religion, as oppositeidiot is doing, but rather on the message/current interpretation of the religion.

You assume a lot about me for someone who doesn't know me. But yeah, I'm not a fan of Christians in Uganda.

 

[Traitorfish]

I think it's more the idea behind what inspires it that matters...
The Koran instructs people they will get 72+ virgins if they die a martyr, which can include killing oneself while killing infidels, in the minds of the retards who do it and tell other retards to do it.

I never judge a religion based on the actions of individuals with a religion, as oppositeidiot is doing, but rather on the message/current interpretation of the religion.

Which is to say, your interpretation of the religion.

 

[kochman]

You assume a lot about me for someone who doesn't know me. But yeah, I'm not a fan of Christians in Uganda.

There was no assumption at all. I took what you said and commented on it.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

There was no assumption at all. I took what you said and commented on it.

Except I made no judgement of Christianity as a religion? It'd be pretty stupid of me to do so, considering it's my own.

 

[Ajidica]

The Koran instructs people they will get 72+ virgins if they die a martyr, which can include killing oneself while killing infidels, in the minds of the retards who do it and tell other retards to do it.

Again, the idea of killing yourself to become a martyr is a very recent concept in Islam and goes against pretty much every tenent of Islamic jurisprudence. The Ayatollah Khomeni, as I have mentioned numerous times before, condemned suicide bombing. The founder of Wahabism (whose name I am blanking on) adhered to the traditional view of martyrdom against the infidel: which is fighting the infidel without regard for your own life by putting it into God's hands. Intentionaly taking your life is still defined as suicide and is a major sin in Islam.
The view that suicide bombing = martyrdom is a very recent trend in Islam with little support from traditional Islamic jurisprudence.

I never judge a religion based on the actions of individuals with a religion, as oppositeidiot is doing, but rather on the message/current interpretation of the religion.

Unfortunately the interpretation you are looking at is a reactionary fringe interpretation that most are either distancing themselves from or continuing to condemn.

 

[kochman]

Thanks, that's already been stated about 20 times in this thread.

 

[Traitorfish]

And you've failed to meaningfully address it about twenty times, which is why it's being brought up yet again.

 

[Ajidica]

Thanks, that's already been stated about 20 times in this thread.

And you refuse to pay attention to it. When I mention that one of the most influential Muslim (Shia) theologian condemned suicide bombing as the moral equivalent to suicide itself, you can't very well turn around and say "Islam supports suicide bombing" and expect to be taken seriously.

 

[kochman]

It doesn't really matter to the thread, which is about Islam and Women's rights... so, yes, I ignore it. Strange concept, I know...

 

[Ajidica]

If the topic is about Islam and women's rights, we must be taking the scenic route to get there.
Or Ziggy addressed it quite sufficiently and we are currently trying to get the thread to 50 pages because we haven't had a thread like this one in a while.

 

[kochman]

I love when you guys decide a topic is decided, completely arbitrarily... it shows modesty.