It should be "TURKS", not OTTOMANS

[Minci]

Turks may have a longer history, but it is up to personal beliefs as to whether it was "GREATER" or more glorious. Anyway, I won't delete my last post, sorry if you don't like the fact that the German/Ottoman/A+H alliance lost the war, but they still lost. End of story. And if Ottomans retained their land after the war, that's fine, but what's up with this fact I obtained in my "research"?

Oh man, its not because of ww1 thing. Its about the things I dont mean and this is the cause.

As someone who loves playing the Ottoman empire i completely disagree with you. The civ is German..not "caucasian", the civ is English not Caucasian, the civ is roman not caucasian, the civ ottoman not turkish.

Look!!! Woala. THANK YOU . At least another reasonable man answering my question. Thank you and yes you have a point!!!

Minci, you mentioned that Americans don't have "true wonders". May I ask did the Ottomans or Turks have one, which they actually built themselves? And you said that Islam is in the game but not Turks/Ottomans. Well, if you look at the civ list, you see ARABIA there. And Civ IV has Ottomans, cause they were the greatest Turkish empire. Golden Horde and Timurs empire fell, and I wouldn't call Huns as a empire, they were bunch of warriors who pillaged Roman empire. Selcuklu and Gokturk? Umm... what?

READ WELL. Wonder thing was not about Ottoman wonders. I said it against the US wonders. Both civs dont have any!!!!'
We are not arabians and arabic empires war far less powerful than ottoman empire if you pick islam.
just to inform you, not to create another topic: Selcuklu was the empire who hold anatolia against the crusades and who have taken Anatolia from Byzantium.

4. The Turks controled the world? Look at Roman, The British Empire, Mongoila(SP) America, and so many others, i think you need to check your history.

Never said that GOD DAM IT stop to post things about things I didnt say or mention or mean.

EDIT: In case you didn't catch that last little statement, it reads the Ottoman Empire capitulated. That's a cut and paste from wiki.

I KNOW WE LOST IT. I NEVER SAID THAT WE WON WILL YOU STOP PLEASE??? I SAID AT LEAST WE DIDNT GOT BEATEN LIKE THE GERMANY so go play with vietnam and stop attacking Turkish empires as I really really REALLY didnt want to attack America. If you picked that meaning; I am terribely sorry.

BUT WHATEVER POWER IT HAS. AMERICA DOESNT HAVE THE HISTORY OR ROOTS OR CULTURE AS ENGLISH, SPANISH, ITALIANS, TURKS, ARABIANS ETC. and if America is in a game about nations, historical empires; TURKS DEFINITLY MUST BE IN TOO (If it is not concerning the American Conitent )

 

[Minci]

Listen, Minci, GO CHECK YOUR OWN ORIGINAL POST you said quite clearly, as I have already quoted in previous posts,

YOU COULD HAVE SAID IT CLEARLY WITHOUT ATTACKING TURKIS EMPIRES OR DEFENDING YOURSELF
HERE I EDITED. OKAY?
I MEANEED THAT AMERICANS= SPANISH+ENGLISH+FRENCH+ ETC. WITH THE "MADE UP". I MEANED "MADE UP BY MANY NATION"!!!!
IF YOU SAID THAT I WOULD HAVE CHANGED EARLIER
NOW PLS TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TREAD!!!

Also This so called fake nation defeated your so called great empire in ww1.

And we never ever fought with americans. They didnt land on Anatolia!!!

 

[Wodan]

Wow this flame war started only 2 hours ago.

Wodan

 

[General Failure]

Wow this flame war started only 2 hours ago.

Wodan

Yes...what's that sound? The sound of moderators swooping in?

General Failure

 

[Minci]

And only Bonaparte1 and shannonCT understood my question and be kind enough to post some reasonable answers. Others just filled in the blanks.

 

[General Failure]

And only Bonaparte1 and shannonCT understood my question and be kind enough to post some reasonable answers. Others just filled in the blanks.

I understand your comment (you didn't ask a question), but I don't feel like getting involved in a mud-slinging contest.

General Failure

 

[Wodan]

Yep, I agree. I started to type in a response, and then thankfully I came to my senses.

Wodan

 

[Minci]

Forget about the contest. Its over. America is saved
I am a little angry to the game developers
They made 4 games and put a great nation just to expansions. Okay America is great. No excuse me its "OMG, TOO MUCH GREAT" . but against other civs, its a little young. They should be in the game as they dominate some part of history and they continue to do it but its a shame on developers to not to put a nation who dominated a longer part.
And I think, with chaning an era by conquering istanbul, Ottoman Empire is far more important than some of the civs in the game. And Turks with their great history, accomplishments, conquests, power, culture, battles, number of empires.

 

[bonaparte1]

You know you could just change it in your editor. Thats what i did for the Scandinavians.

Where is this editor to change the name of a civ.

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

Forget about the contest. Its over. America is saved
I am a little angry to the game developers
They made 4 games and put a great nation just to expansions. Okay America is great. No excuse me its "OMG, TOO MUCH GREAT" . but against other civs, its a little young. They should be in the game as they dominate some part of history and they continue to do it but its a shame on developers to not to put a nation who dominated a longer part.

What a crock of sh*t. You corrected your original statement, thank you. As to "attacking" Ottomans, I never did. Read back, I stated facts, and doubly defended American culture and civilization. I am by no means an American "fanatic" as I would quickly admit to many MANY MANY negative things about American history (a good portion of it), but that by no means translates to not defending my nation. Sorry if you mis-stated items in your original point.

You sure got wound up, though.

I'm done...

 

[Minci]

^^What a crock of sh*t. You corrected your original statement, thank you. As to "attacking" Ottomans, I never did. Read back, I stated facts, and doubly defended American culture and civilization. I am by no means an American "fanatic" as I would quickly admit to many MANY MANY negative things about American history (a good portion of it), but that by no means translates to not defending it. Sorry if you mis-stated items in your original point.

You sure got wound up, though.

As I said, if you stated it clearly i would have changed it earlier. I didnt mean that and I worte what i meaned in real. I dont care about America is a good or bad country.

What are the opinions to this: Shall i open a new thread about this

They made 4 games and put a great nation just to expansions.

And I think, with changing an era by conquering istanbul, Ottoman Empire is far more important than some of the civs in the game. And Turks with their great history, accomplishments, conquests, power, culture, battles, number of empires and Mustafa Kemal ATATURK is the greatest Turk ever. He can be opposite of Ottoman Empire but Stalin is the opposite of Peter and Ataturk was an Ottoman too and fought in Canakkale as an Ottoman Lt. Colonel

 

[General Failure]

Forget about the contest. Its over. America is saved
I am a little angry to the game developers
They made 4 games and put a great nation just to expansions. Okay America is great. No excuse me its "OMG, TOO MUCH GREAT" . but against other civs, its a little young. They should be in the game as they dominate some part of history and they continue to do it but its a shame on developers to not to put a nation who dominated a longer part.

I understand your feelings. I understand someone can be proud of the history of their country and then not seeing it represented in the game, or seeing it misrepresented in the game, as is your case, can be frustrating.
Personally I'd like to see my country (The Netherlands) represented in Civ. We had a large impact on history too, and that's something we may be proud of. At least the Turks are represented (as the Ottomans), so you're doing better than the Dutch.

But in the end, the designers have to make a choice of who and what to put in there. So I can understand leaving the Dutch out. We're a small country. Maybe we'll make it into an expansion pack too someday. Many civs that deserve a spot in Civ. are not in there. What about the Polish, the Austro-Hungarian empire, the Khmer? They may deserve a spot.

My advice to you is, if you are really upset about the Turks being misrepresented in the game, contact Firaxis directly and tell them why you feel upset or offended. I think they have done a pretty good job of making sure people were not offended by religion. I think, if you write a reasonable email to them, they will respond to you and address your concerns.

Good luck!

General Failure

 

[Minci]

But in the end, the designers have to make a choice of who and what to put in there. So I can understand leaving the Dutch out. We're a small country. Maybe we'll make it into an expansion pack too someday. Many civs that deserve a spot in Civ. are not in there. What about the Polish, the Austro-Hungarian empire, the Khmer? They may deserve a spot.

Hey I always play Dutch in Pirates and Colonization. Really really.

My advice to you is, if you are really upset about the Turks being misrepresented in the game, contact Firaxis directly and tell them why you feel upset or offended. I think they have done a pretty good job of making sure people were not offended by religion. I think, if you write a reasonable email to them, they will respond to you and address your concerns.

Thanx for the advice but i doubt that they will ever consider. I belive that there are many Turks writing these things since Civ2. Here we are and we found ourselves in expansion and not as our nation or not as we know ourselves... But i will do it . Lets begin with a new tread eh?

 

[Crighton]

Yet throughout all the discussion above there wasn't a mention of Civ: Call to Power which if memory serves me did have the Turks as a Civ. Of course it also included Canada so take it with a grain of salt. And if nobody's heard of Call to Power, don't worry I think I'm one of three people who actually bought that crap (though it was nice have a facist governemnt, mucho dinero).

Though I'm curious to know which three continents were actually conquered by the Turks.

 

[General Failure]

Thanx for the advice but i doubt that they will ever consider. I belive that there are many Turks writing these things since Civ2. Here we are and we found ourselves in expansion and not as our nation or not as we know ourselves... But i will do it . Lets begin with a new tread eh?

You don't know if you don't try. It's my firm believe that if people have a reasonable request, stated in a reasonable and well thought of way, other people will listen to it. Call me naive, but I do believe that.
As soon as people as start shouting, though, they have already lost the discussion.

By the way, welcome to the Forums!

General Failure

 

[General Failure]

Yet throughout all the discussion above there wasn't a mention of Civ: Call to Power which if memory serves me did have the Turks as a Civ. Of course it also included Canada so take it with a grain of salt. And if nobody's heard of Call to Power, don't worry I think I'm one of three people who actually bought that crap (though it was nice have a facist governemnt, mucho dinero).

Though I'm curious to know which three continents were actually conquered by the Turks.

Hey, I own Call to Power and Call to Power 2 as well. Loved both games, especially the diplomacy in them. Some parts more advanced than Civ4, I think. Also loved that you could continue past the modern age and sort of keep going down the tech tree. They were nice games!

As far as those continents are concerned, I think Europe, Asia and Africa, but none were ever completely conquered by the Turks.

General Failure

 

[Minci]

Though I'm curious to know which three continents were actually conquered by the Turks.

Not conquered. Ottoman Empire had the Known, liveable part of Africa, SE side of Europa and Anatolia, Black sea region, Arabia and some part of Iran from Asia and they were unchallenged like 100-200 years.At those times, Inner parts and South part of Africa were unknown and in the Asian border, there was another Turkish Empire, which Ottoman didnt attack.

Fatih Sultan Mehmet (Mehmet 2 in the game) Stopped the party in Paris by just threatinning. He marched deep in to Germany but couldnt find any army to fight and returned back. In 2 sea wars during his and his sons domination, Ottoman Empire nearly wiped out the Europens Mediterran Fleets. This is Domination.

By the way, welcome to the Forums!

Hey, thank you

 

[bonaparte1]

I guess i only question is what do you have against the ottomans. I am a history major in college and am fascinated by the ottoman empire and the power they wielded for so long. They are nothing to be ashamed of for sure. I do agree that Mustafa Kemal Atatürk should be a leader for the civ. Just as you mentioned that would be the same as Stalin and Russia. Just a question.

 

[weasel77066]

Okay, I dont know if any other Turk posted this but, there isn't any civilization named Ottomans... Ottoman Empire was an Empire with the nationality of Turk.
Turks had many great empires and Ottoman Empire is just one of them.
Hun Empire, Golden Horde, Selcuklu Empire, Timur is even a Turk, Gokturk Empire etc...
It should and must be Turkish Empire and Turks...

Its already a shame for civilization and Sid Meier to not include Turks in Civ1, Civ2, Civ3 and Civ4. I dont know if an enlightment bolt has hitted their heads and they put in the expansion but at least do it right for this time!!!

Last but not least, Fatih Sultan Mehmet (Mehmet II) is a great emperor (or as we call it Sultan) but Mustafa Kemal Atatürk is the most brilliant leader of Turks in all times. Even , Americans, have 2 leaders, I would like to see Atilla or Yavuz Sultan Selim AND Mustafa Kemal Atatürk in game.

Do some research about history of Turks and PLEASE correct this already LATE corrected mistake of adding one of the greatest civilizations of the world...

And about STALIN... If there is Stalin, where is Hitler? If I know wrong, correct me but he did nearly as much slaughter as Hitler.

Well, I went to respond a couple hours ago, but a lightning storm blew over and I shut down sysytem. Seems that wasnt the only storm brewing!!
Mince- Welcome to the forums. You make a valid point. Between Shannonct and bonaparte, I think theyve laid out probable reasons why the game was written the way it was.
The rest seems to be bickering. You have pride in your nation and that is respectable, but you have to understand that others have pride too, so please dont think the forums are like this all the time. I believe english is a second language for you, and there-in lies the culprit. People mistook your meaning, and pounced.
Anyways, like I said, welcome to the site and I hope you find it more pleasant in the future.

 

[kcbrett5]

Forget about the contest. Its over. America is saved
I am a little angry to the game developers
They made 4 games and put a great nation just to expansions. Okay America is great. No excuse me its "OMG, TOO MUCH GREAT" . but against other civs, its a little young. They should be in the game as they dominate some part of history and they continue to do it but its a shame on developers to not to put a nation who dominated a longer part.
And I think, with chaning an era by conquering istanbul, Ottoman Empire is far more important than some of the civs in the game. And Turks with their great history, accomplishments, conquests, power, culture, battles, number of empires.

So let me get thisstraight. You are now whining because Firaxis already fixed the "heinous" error of omitting the mighty turks from the original game? Isn't this complaint about 3 months late since they have already included your precious turkish empire in the expansion?

But hey, I am just a fictional American so what do I know. In fact, I am not really even here am I? A mere figment of my own active imagination.