Jeb Bush vs Hillary

[Timsup2nothin]

Scott Walker is superior to him in every way.

If someone said that about me I might have to hang myself.

 

[IglooDame]

If someone said that about me I might have to hang myself.

If someone said that about you, I'd say that for it to be accurate you'd have already done so.

 

[Archbob]

None of the republican candidates have a power level high enough to beat SSJ Hillary Clinton.

 

[Berzerker]

Rand Paul ripped Jeb's hypocrisy regarding pot

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The Republican primaries involve character assassination exclusively. Who cheated on their wife, or can be falsely accused of it. Who fathered and adopted an illegitimate mixed race child, or can be falsely accused of it on the eve of the primary so there is no time to disprove it. That sort of thing.

There is no substantive debate among the candidates over policies because to be a candidate in the Republican primary requires standing up for the same (demonstrably failed) economic policy and the same (demonstrably catastrophic) foreign policy. The party power brokers won't let a candidate who might challenge these positions even get started.

Rand Paul ripped Jeb's hypocrisy regarding pot

And so it begins.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Oops wrong thread... Anyway point stands... The first guys getting trashed in these Republican primaries usually don't survive to the end.

 

[Thedrin]

The first guy being trashed in these Republican primaries is usually the first one to make it clear that they are running. Most of the candidates usually don't survive to the end.

 

[Kyriakos]

So there are 10+ republican hopefuls to be in the primaries, and on the other hand just one huge bloated Hillary?

Btw, has it ever happened that a non-popular Rep or Dem president was directly followed by another of their same party?

 

[Omega124]

Other than ReptoClinton, who else may run for the Dems?

I'm governor Jerry Brown, my aura smiles and never frowns...

 

[Sommerswerd]

So there are 10+ republican hopefuls to be in the primaries, and on the other hand just one huge bloated Hillary?

You mean lean, streamlined, buff Hillary?

Btw, has it ever happened that a non-popular Rep or Dem president was directly followed by another of their same party?

Calvin Coolidge wasn't particularly popular... He was kind of a stick in the mud. But the economy was awesome during his years (the Roaring 20's) so he was succeeded by his VP Herbert Hoover... aaaaaaand then the depression

Ford succeeded Nixon, but I guess that isn't what you mean.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Btw, has it ever happened that a non-popular Rep or Dem president was directly followed by another of their same party?

Research not worth doing. Obama's approval rating hovers right around 50%, so data from "post not popular" elections wouldn't provide any sort of useful predictor. I suspect that much like 2012, in 2016 the biggest impact from disapproval ratings will be that the electorate will be reminded how much they hated the GWBush administration.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Obama's approval rating hovers right around 50%,

Its also a wierd question because if the President was "non-popular" he probably wouldnt be re-elected. If he isn't re-elected, the presumably his successor would always be a member of a different party, cause thats how not getting re-elected works.

So I guess the answer is no. Whenever the President is "non-popular" he loses his re-election bid to a member of a different party... thus he is not "directly followed" by a member of the same party.

Or maybe that was really a sort of roundabout prediction that Hillary will lose because the President is "non-popular"... which as you pointed out Tim, is false. Approval ratings are a little different from election polls, because in an election, people are chossing between Hillary and her hypothetical (or actual) opponent(s). With approval ratings, people are choosing between Prez Obama and A "hypothetical dream President who gives you everything you want, plus free beer and onion rings every Sunday", which is not the same as popularity.

 

[onejayhawk]

So there are 10+ republican hopefuls to be in the primaries, and on the other hand just one huge bloated Hillary?

Btw, has it ever happened that a non-popular Rep or Dem president was directly followed by another of their same party?

You understand this is normal at this point, right?

To you second point, radio talk is openly saying that the Republican candidate will win the election. That's as close as you will get to hearing one say that the Democrats have no chance, because of the way Barak Obama has poisoned the well.

J

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The question is also part of the GOP's "Bush wasn't so bad, Obama has low approval too" disinformation campaign. They trot out the "just about every president has low approval by the end of their term" truism as if their guy was just ordinary. Obama has approval ratings somewhere in the mid to high forties, which does fit the norms pretty well so is pretty ordinary.

By the end of his term GWBush had sustained approval ratings well under thirty. He is not only remarkable among presidents for his phenomenally low end of term ratings, but at times during his term his approval rating dropped below such popular standouts as pornography, polygamy, and the BP oil spill. Now that's remarkable.

And since he got that unpopular by following the dictates of GOP policies which have remained unchanged to this day, it is something the GOP desperately needs people to forget.

 

[JollyRoger]

To you second point, radio talk is openly saying that the Republican candidate will win the election.

J

Is talk radio still going on about Rmoney taking Minnesota, it's just that the polls are skewed?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Is talk radio still going on about Rmoney taking Minnesota, it's just that the polls are skewed?

The serious conservatives in talk radio haven't reached the Rmoney point yet. They are still operating from "It is all a bad dream and when we wake up our boy George will still be president. No black man could possibly have been elected. Just a nightmare."

 

[onejayhawk]

Is talk radio still going on about Rmoney taking Minnesota, it's just that the polls are skewed?

I have no idea. These are the ones that predicted the Republicans would take the Senate in 2014, or so I am told. The only one I have personally heard is Hannity, who I cannot avoid hearing.

J

 

[JollyRoger]

I have no idea. These are the ones that predicted the Republicans would take the Senate in 2014, or so I am told. The only one I have personally heard is Hannity, who I cannot avoid hearing.

J

Of course they predicted the GOP to win. They always do. Hannity was great this week, going on about so-called (but non-existent)liberal birtherism when he is still giving Trump a platform.

Anyway, CPAC shows that Bush Derangement Syndrome is still in full force.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Of course they predicted the GOP to win. They always do. Hannity was great this week, going on about so-called (but non-existent)liberal birtherism when he is still giving Trump a platform.

Anyway, CPAC shows that Bush Derangement Syndrome is still in full force.

The GOP can't turn Trump away just because his commitment to the birther nonsense makes him an obvious lunatic. It would establish a precedent of considering the source when taking money. Where would that leave them?

 

[Sommerswerd]

I have no idea. These are the ones that predicted the Republicans would take the Senate in 2014, or so I am told. The only one I have personally heard is Hannity, who I cannot avoid hearing.

J

Republicans always sweep in off-year elections, precisely because turnout is so low. When everyone votes they lose, when only the diehards vote they win. This is because the diehards happen to be in their base demographic.

Also, their base demographics happen to be in areas where it is easier and more convenient to vote. When I lived in a Southwest Atlanta I had to wait in line for 2 hours to vote in 2004. In Philadelphia in 2008 and 2012 it was 90 mins and 1 hr respectively... But in the 2010 off-year election I had much less wait.

I live in an affluent New England suburb now, so we will see how it goes in 2016, but for 2014 I just walked in and voted with no wait at all.