Fox Mccloud
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Leha said:What do you mean "occupy territory"??
You know what I mean, All the Israeli troops in West Bank, who set up checkpoints and restrictions in the occupied territories.
Leha said:What do you mean "occupy territory"??
Fox Mccloud said:You know what I mean, All the Israeli troops in West Bank, who set up checkpoints and restrictions in the occupied territories.
What's proporytional is that the majority of the kills Hezbollah scored were members of the IDF, which I doubt anyone would deny as being legitimate targets, wheras Israel seems to miss anything even remotely armed.skadistic said:hat exactly is porpotionl to having a hundred rockets fired at your civilians unprovoked by an illegaly armed terrorist organazation hiding behing the sovrenty of another nation?
Israel stopped, because they didn't plan on suffering such heavy casualties, from so much opposition, and from their own population having doubts about their abilities.Israel stopped not because hezbola beat them but because europe cried foul because they hate Israel more then they do terrorists.
Hezbollah with 5 seats in the Lebanese parliament?Ignorant is thinking that hezbola doesnt have total control of southern lebanon
What ended the war was syria's illegal 15 year occupation of Lebanon.What ended the war? Was it when the Syrians came in and took over? Lebanon was occupied by Syria not Israel up untill last year.
From constand IDF artillery, airstrikes and tanks smashing through vvillages, I daresay the damage was equal to the civil war, if you compare timeframes.You think the destruction was that bad? Have you seen any recent video or pictures of the still perfect city streets of the cities? Lebanon wasn't bombed back to the stone age. (they wouldn't have been bombed at all if hezbola had been disartmed)
Appeal to Emotions fallancy?And the IDF should trace that call and bomb the crap out of the other end.
Since then.f you consider being control by Syrian democratic
You mean as Hamas the only viable opposition party to the crooked Fatah party?can blame them just like 90% of "palistinians" that elected hamas.
Lebanon breeding terrorists?Breed more terrorists? They have been breeding them for years and they start them out young.
Hezbollah may be an Iranian backed terror group, but a small one with little influence (until recently).Right because its all Israels fault.Iran didn't have its grubby little hands there before. Hezbola is an Iranian backed terror group. Syria is an Iranian controled pupet state. Lebanon fell to Iran along time ago.
Rofl. You prove my point perfectly.Why not keep it on the ME? Why must you bring in the IRA? Its not realy equateable. The IRA is a nationalist org. fighting against the 800 year long rape of its people and land by England. Hezbola is a radical isamic terror org. that has as its stated goal to wipe the jewish state of Israel off the map.
I am serious. The IDF got their asses handed to them by people firing fireworks at Israel.Leha said:ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!![]()
You know what, actually IDF is minority if Israelis, so stop this BS whitewashing the REAL agressor and murderer.
The Katyushas? Sure, but they're 1930s technology. Surely they would cause indiscriminate casualties, while the world's most advanced army could at least pick off people who were armed?ouldn't read further.
Noncon, you've just really, really dissappointed me. Have you even heard of GRAD missile with thousands of ball bearings randomly shot into israeli city? It's goal is to kill as many people as possible. What the bloody f*** are you talking about
nonconformist said:What's proporytional is that the majority of the kills Hezbollah scored were members of the IDF, which I doubt anyone would deny as being legitimate targets, wheras Israel seems to miss anything even remotely armed.
Done .Leha said:The only reason so little israeli sitizens were killed - system of early warning and shelters. It is amazing how you try to show Hezbollah so humane and caring about israeli population!
And to stop this stupid "who killed more civilians" argument once and for all: can you provide us with exact numbers of combatants and non-combatants killed in Lebanon?
nonconformist said:I am serious. The IDF got their asses handed to them by people firing fireworks at Israel. .
IDF a minority? The IDF is an extension and organ of the Israeli government, and is a compulsary institution for all Israelis, so I'd hardly call it "minority"..
The Katyushas? Sure, but they're 1930s technology. Surely they would cause indiscriminate casualties, while the world's most advanced army could at least pick off people who were armed?.
Wrong:
Israel
116 soldiers
(Israeli Defence Force)
43 civilians
(Israeli police)
So, Hezbollah managed to get a 2.7:1 ratio, killing more Soldiers.
Lebanon
1,109
(Lebanese government)
28 Lebanese soldiers (not in conflict with Israelis)
(Agence France Presse, 6 August)
Hezbollah - there are no reliable figures
Israeli military estimate more than 530
Hezbollah and fellow Shia militant group Amal say 55 fighters have been killed
(Agence France Presse, 5 August)
Even if we take the Israeli figure (which I don't doubt is hugely inflated), the Israelis killed 2.1 civlians for every Hezbollh member killed.
Otherwise it's 20 Lebanese citizens per Hezbollah member.
Either that's a warcrime, or you've got the most incompetant soldiers in the world.
nonconformist said:Done .
----------nonconformist said:What's proporytional is that the majority of the kills Hezbollah scored were members of the IDF, which I doubt anyone would deny as being legitimate targets, wheras Israel seems to miss anything even remotely armed.Thats bull **** and you know it. hezbola killed a good number of arabs too.
Israel stopped, because they didn't plan on suffering such heavy casualties, from so much opposition, and from their own population having doubts about their abilities.No they stopped from preasure by the terrorist loving euros.
Hezbollah with 5 seats in the Lebanese parliament?And they have total control of the south. There is/was no Lebanese army in the south. This isn't democracy like in the UK and US. Armed illegal militia named hezbola a proxy army of Iran has more control over the whole of Lebanon then does the government.
What ended the war was syria's illegal 15 year occupation of Lebanon. Yea thats what I said.
From constand IDF artillery, airstrikes and tanks smashing through vvillages, I daresay the damage was equal to the civil war, if you compare timeframes.No it wasnt.
Appeal to Emotions fallancy?Huh?
Since then.Since thenwhat? Since the Syrian army pulled out Lebanon has compleat control over it government? That simply isn't the case. Many Syrian pupet politicians that were there before the pull are still there in power.
You mean as Hamas the only viable opposition party to the crooked Fatah party?No it wasn't. There were politicians who do want true peace with Israel. But the overwhelming majorty (over 90% of pallies don't want peace so they voted for the one group that promised war and the death of Israel.
Or do you really expect Palestinians to be single-issue voters? I think they're a lot more intelligent than you make them out to be. So smart they they traded relations with the world for a terrorist group that doesn't want peace.
Lebanon breeding terrorists?
When was the last time there was any Lebanese terror?Are you drunk or just playing stupid? Do I need to show you the pictures of brainwashed 10 year old kids clad in hezbola colours and armed? Do you realy need a point by point break down of every Lebanonese attack?
Hezbollah may be an Iranian backed terror group, but a small one with little influence (until recently).
Syria? Not the most paletable of states, but hardly an extension of Iran.Small? Little influence? You don't know squat about them do you? Sryria doesn't do anything with out the ok from Ahmadimadumbass.
Rofl. You prove my point perfectly.What point?Rape of Ireland? Yes the 800 year rape of Ireland.
Not since the 1600s. Nationalist organisation? More like drug runners, gangsters, kneecappers and radical Catholics. Radical catholics? What about the radical protistants?
It's so much easy to support terrorism when they're white, isn't it?When did I say I supported the IRA?
Leha said:Don't get distracted. First we were talking about Israel "ruining palestinian homeland"
and you were saying that palestinians have justification to ruin Israel.
To which I replied that second intifada, for instance, has nothing to do with "occupation". It would be nice if instead of printing regular meaningless slogans you learned deeper about conflict, and it would be desirable that your sources were not only leftist sites.
For example how occupation ended in Gaza and how "resistance" never ended since then.
Edit: oh, almost forgot, learn more on checkpoints and their purpose,
and maybe you will find that story how palestinian woman brought "martyr" belt into israeli hospital, using red-cross ambulance.
Edit: actually, never mind, I've just noticed your sig.
Trajan12 said:The really sad thing is that the demented guy may not be so wrong.
Fundementalism is wrong but it still is the norm in Palestine. Where something as simple as a kids show can and will be hate propaganda. You really should take a trip to one of these places to see how kind and benevolent they are. The problem with Islam is that it is to easy to distort. Christianity makes it very clear that the violence shown in the old testament is obselete.Sidhe said:Fundementalism whether Jewish or Islamic is always wrong, it divolves itself from the religion and the situation and simply breeds hate, you have to understand that both religions are ones of tolerance and acceptance, if you can find a passage in the Koran or the Jewish Torah and the other books that finds such pointless hatred right I'd like to see it, it is simply political not religious. If their mutual God finds the fight between the two so right, then what sort of God is he? He is the god of both peoples, how can he find joy in the death of his children on either side? This is the laughable craziness, it's not about a religion it's about politics plain and simple.
Site those passages and add to it where the passages are being used today to justify the mass murder or non-practicing jews and christians.North King said:Are you honestly inviting everyone to quote from the unsavory passages of the Bible and the Torah as well?