The pool and the panel only needs to be relfective of society in so far as no one is unconstitutionally denying the defendant to a fair trial by a jury "of his peers." Again, it's not about fairness to the jurors, its about fairness to the parties to the case. Ensuring randomness is not really part of it either, other than who gets chosen to be in the pool from which the panel is to be made.
We are ascertaining if they are biased one way or the other, and yes, also trying to get an idea of who they are based on very very general questions. But in all honesty rarely do we get some sort of amazing insight into a juror that lets us know exactly what we should say to them. It's still a huge guessing game. Every time the panel is still a bunch of unknowns and we are just trying to find those clear outliers or sometimes expose something interesting in our case and see how jurors react to it, almost like a pre-trial focus group. It's a great benefit to a litigator who knows how to do that. I do agree with you that this tactic might not befit a system where we are just interested in knowing the facts and arriving at some sort of objective, coldly rational decision, but that is just not how our trial system is set up. That sounds more like an inquisition-based system like they have in France or something. In an adversarial system with a right to a jury trial, this works better than just seating the first 12 people that walk in the door, in my opinion.
I didn't mean to imply anything about fairness to the jury but that it is not a 'jury of his peers' if all his peers are picked for him as then it is biased, having a completely random set of 12 generally means collectively that the 12 combined will be unbiased. One area I would like to see moved over from the U.S. to here is that your pool uses the driving database as well as the voting registration, whereas ours just uses voting registration so is not an entire representation of our society.
I haven't studied American law extensively but from my bare reading of it, the problem is that Voir dire in America is that they can extensively question potential jurors. Therefore can find out specific details.
The justice system here is quite similar to that in france except where they have given power to the judge we took that power away hundreds of years ago and gave it to an impartial jury.
I just don't see it that way. Again, maybe I am just being cynical but I don't see our criminal justice system dispensing "justice." It is built to try and process people through the system like cattle. And civil trials, man don't get me started. Cases always settle because everyone knows that the outcome of a civil trial is often completely impossible to predict and a total crap-shoot. You also have the issue of the system being built for those with the money to play with it. Criminal trials and especially civil trials to me are not about justice, at all. That might be written on the masonry outside but once you walk through those doors and start seeing what is going on, it's a different world.
Perhaps your outlook is based on the fact that America currently inprisons (is it?) 3% of its total population, no other country in the world in its entire history has inprisoned so many. After seeing some of the inner workings of the courts in England I do see the justice system as predominantly working, changes could be made- not least the time and the amount of money given to criminal (a report recently states that a barrister receives less per hour than a mechanic, not to say a mechanic is not a good job but if you had the prospect of life in prison you'd probably want someone defending you who is being paid more than £7 an hour!)
Yeah that's really different, I am probably not understanding your system. I guess I assumed it was more similar to ours... that's interesting though. Here you basically have two sides who are very, very motivated to "win the case." It's very competitive. Prosecutors have "ethics" about being fair and having a duty to respect the rights of the defendant, blah blah blah, but they rarely if ever do that and are usually all about getting a conviction.
Prosecutors here also have to provide exculpatory evidence to the defense and all that jazz, but even when they screw that up, they usually get away with it. Defendants here do not have to take the stand either. Problem is juries will often hold that against the defendant, even though the Judge tells them not to. Jurors have a hard time understanding the concept of innocent til proven guilty and the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt no matter how many jury instructions we give them.
Which goes back to my original point... voire dire can pick those people out sometimes. That's usually something a Judge will ask if he or she doesn't let the lawyers ask it. Don't you think that's an important question to ask potential jurors?
Maybe it is due to the history/cultural differences of our law but the code of ethics among practicing members of the justice system is very strong. Also by law the defence only has to answer to the charges provided to them by the prosecution using the evidence provided (then whatever else they provide).
With the innocent till proven guilty and reasonable doubt, again perhaps a cultural issue, but there was a recent study done looking into Jury trials by Cheryl Thomas and she found that most jury members can and do follow the majority of instructions of the judge, that they do understand what is going on in court and that they are not leniant (perceptions which were increased by the media in cases such as the Jubilee line case crashing after a good £25 million had apparently been spent on it).