Just another SG

[kossin]

You can also fit a city 2W of the gold, on the desert hill. It can borrow the pigs a bit from Corinth which has more than enough food unless you want mass specs there for a while and also use the gold from Athens when you're running the slider at 0%, getting better growth after whips.

If you manage to get Mathematics soon, you can chop out the settler also as your other cities can get granaries!

EDIT:
X-Post with shy: Joao hasn't hit 20% culture yet, but he has a monument (and Hinduism which doesn't help him). If you can get to 100 culture early enough, you might steal the wheat for a while with the help of Athens' border pop in 12t.

Add in the doubling of Academy+Library culture after 1000 years, I think the wheat will be yours.

EDIT2: try putting a bit of research in Mathematics, trading for it with Aesthetics will speed up Currency as well. After that the usual Medi->PH->CoL

 

[shyuhe]

Ah, I thought he was already at 20% culture in that city I did see the monument during my set. We basically have to own his culture output while Joao's city goes from 0% --> 40%. It'll be tough to compete with the hidden modifier from 40% culture on an inner ring tile.

In terms of GP generation, I think Corinth will do most of the heavy lifting. I can see Athens contributing one or two. We should try to set up our GP generation to get at least one person from Sparta and Oasis if possible.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

I like both lymond's and Kossin's site. THough I guess the desert hill one can wait for CS otherwise he is pretty useless.

About putting research into math: it can wait till at least one more AI research it as the ones with it are in monopoly state.

after currency, still no love for med -> PH -> drama (cheap theater, enable both philo and music, and also there is the important GLobe)? (PH to enable monarchy trade). I don't mind COL though

edit: and I agree about building the lib first (because we get 100% on it and because we need culture growth)

 

[Dhoomstriker]

It's pretty unlikely that we'll nab the wheat from Joao. It's in his inner ring and he's at 20% culture so he's already dumping 10 cpt into that tile, minimum.

I think that it's a base of 20 cpt instead of 10 cpt, for each level of "Culture ring," not counting the outer ring.

So, when a City has expanded its Cultural Borders once (20% Culture aka expanded to its fat cross), that's [20 + (City screen's cpt)] cpt in the initial-9-square radius and just the City screen's cpt in the outer ring.

Extending that example, when a City has expanded its Cultural Borders twice (40% Culture), that's [20 + 20 + (City screen's cpt)] cpt in the initial-9-square radius, [20 + (City screen's cpt)] cpt in the rest of the City's fat cross, and just the City screen's cpt in the outer ring.


Also, an Academy is a weirdly-coded building in that its Cultural output will never double.

 

[kossin]

Don't let this one die!

@shyuhe
Remember that espionage SG we had going with obsolete where GK became monstrous?

Well, I don't either

 

[lymond]

I think mysty stated he (derp) was going to be delayed getting the next TS out.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

He (emphasis here) told me he could play prolly tomorow

Nice videos btw, I had a look for the first time and it is really great format to learn! (had a look at Mary Read 2e )

 

[lymond]

ha...for some reason I associate "mysty" with the feminine, but I see it is clearly just a pun.

Glad you like the videos. The Mehmed one is a solo LP while Mary Read was a succession game using combined videos of the players. I'm not the Aussie or the Czech . I was hoping to try to get some of the LPers to really do a full fledged LP succession game. I think it would be educational indeed seeing the different styles come together in one game. However, I've had some issues with the recording software of late. I hope to get back into it soon. It is a bit of work.

 

[shyuhe]

Don't let this one die!

@shyuhe
Remember that espionage SG we had going with obsolete where GK became monstrous?

Well, I don't either

I don't even know if I have the saves from that one

 

[mystyfly]

He (emphasis here) told me he could play prolly tomorow

Yah I told you that. I was very busy and had inet connection probs. But I do remember you (ras) telling me you'd play on monday I think. Now it's thursday and as I told you I can play now (yay 1024x600 netbook). I'll post a PPP first though

Umm ok. I'll do some gold and crab deals and copper to joao as well as soon as I see a medal unit or a flatland mine or something similar. What exactly are our techtrade plans? I don't see much point in trading away aesth just yet, we just don't get enough for it right now. I'll def. set research to 0 at least until we have the cash to research currency in one go.

Sury and monty in WHEOOH, sweet.

I'm a bit confused regarding that last city we're talking about. IMO it should be 2N of silk. That city that kos suggested, 2w of gold offers us nothing but 3 flat plains and 1 flat grass tile to work but will have to steal food from our gp-city No-go imo.

As to who builds the settler, I don't see quite that much hurry in the athenes granary, simply for the lack of food surplus there just yet, we'll need a lot of worker turns for these FPs. I'd put the overflow into the settler, switch to granary until size 4, then switch back to settler. Sparta gets to finish the monument and growth in 4 (switch desert copper mine to grass forest quickly) and then starts on a worker. Corinth should've gotten a granary before library imo but I can whip the granary in 2t anyway. From then on it's growth and GPs full speed. Our other two cities, argos and thebes are busy building their granaries, then can contribute a worker each.

As to long-term techpath, I'd like to trade for poly and research lit after currency as corinth can easily chop the NE. Then go down the CS route.

I don't think we can trade for maths in a reasonable amount of time (before currency; for the discount) for monopoly/wonder reasons. I could switch to maths while gathering money to have the scientist beakers go into maths if you like...


I may have missed some of your points while reading through the last few pages, please point out where I'm completely off. And sorry again for disappearing.

 

[Thrar]

Athens has accumulated a bunch of GPP already, maybe we can get one more GS from there before having Corinth take over GP duty? We could let Athens grow to 5, then employ 2 scientists while Corinth builds the settler. Corinth overflow could go to the settler, then grow to size 4 and finish the settler. Once that's done, back to granary and start GP generation there.

 

[mystyfly]

As I see it we still have lots of hammers to spend on infra (buildings, workers, MP) so we can't count on running constant 100% while building wealth so we must have another way to compensate and get an acceptable techrate. GPs. Athenes will get another GS anyway, maybe after corinth gets one, maybe after the second, it's a matter of time. Right now athenes needs to grow, and support our empire by building that last settler, after that settler is done it may run some specs.

Our primary goal should be to reap the resources we have; and athenes doesn't have that much to offer with our current state of (un)improvements. Working unirrigated FPs isn't hot to me. Corinth OTOH has 3 food resources and can really use the food firstly to grow, secondly to work specs and thirdly, once at -cap, to support another worker or two.

 

[shyuhe]

Athens will pop a GS before Corinth cranks out 2, I believe.

We will probably want to hop into caste as soon as NE is finished in Corinth.

I think the city on the west coast idea is unnecessary at this point. It won't contribute in time for our timeline.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

I don't see much to add (tech path OK, I would postpone last settler too): go for it Mysty! (btw, you missed that other message I let you stressing I wasn't in a proper state to play civ the other day... )

 

[mystyfly]

OK fine then. I wasn't too sure as I find my thoughts are quite contrary to the discussion. Shyuhe has the same opinion as me as usual though, nice

I'm gonna give a little more time for lymond to chime in and try to find another pc to install civ... can't run civ in fullscreen mode on that netbook as it won't allow resolutions smaller than 1024x768 and there's no way to scroll... but I'll figure out somehow...

Btw that was the first time I was mistaken for a girl... I mean... it's not like I have a girl in my avatar or something...

 

[lymond]

Ha...sorry about the mistake .....I guess assumption has ass in it for a reason

Plan sounds good to me. Definitely should get the silk city on the desert tile next. One thought on the city that Kos suggested is that at some point soon, Corinth will be running scientists. In that case, the fish and rice will feed them and the pigs will be expendable - or any of the food resources. With a city over there, it can use the pigs for a time to whip out things like LHs and whatnot. This city can work the gold tile when Athens cannot. Is it a great city - certainly not - but it makes the most of the cards we are dealt in terms of land. I certainly don't think there is a rush to settle this site, but it may not be a bad idea to put a city there. Eventually, Corinth can take the pigs back and this city will get at least a few chain farms and work coast.

 

[kossin]

Every city you can get for drafting/whipping into the ground is worth it as long as it can get some food. Anyway, that's my style of playing with limited land, I try to squeeze in some satellite cities and be cruel with them.

 

[mystyfly]

@kos: I generally agree with you there but here, this city just doesn't have the food to be draftable - size 6 at least and with a useful regrow-rate.

@lymond: I really doubt we'll ever want athenes to NOT work the gold... especially when running 100% of course but also disregarding the slider, by the time the crap-city would be able to work it, athenes will not be as small so it can't work a tile as good as a gold tile. And I really don't understand why you would take away the best tile of a GPFarm (pre-biology) just to grow a crap-city for a few turns. No I don't see no point at all in settling there.

 

[lymond]

I"m fine without it, but as Kossin mentions, it is another city to abuse. I guess I would think about one thing before making a final determination. At the point we would be drafting, we would likely have pumped out the bulk of our great people, in which case it would not be so bad for the crap city to take on the Pigs and we would be drafting from all cities at that point. With some chain farms, I think Crapsburg could grow a bit larger than size 6 - with pigs.

 

[mystyfly]

I'm not sure we can shut off teching or live without GPs at the point we get to draftles. It depends alot on what/how the AI are doing but we might find ourselves quite a bit backwards once we hammered joao and we need to push to another key military tech. But that's no short-term decision, we can see to that later.