Kal-el's Unit Concept Sketches

Originally posted by ozymandias


... Indeed, I was very surprised to turn to my trusty Oxford English Dictionary, which has nearly two full pages devoted to the word "knight" expecting to find something about a horse -- and, indeed I did (Xen, are you listening? :) ) The ONLY specific definition reference to a mounted warrior is:

"One of the class of equites, who originally formed the cavalry of the ROman army, and at a later period were a wealthy class of great political importance."

Nada about medieval European knights-in-shining-armor-on-horseback etc. -- Not that that wasn't the military cornerstone of the western European medieval military, but still ...

Best,

Oz

therefore, mounted knights should be a Roman UU :D :p
 
Originally posted by Xen

If that had ANY effect on me, I would have stooped- so what if it is a game- dosent now, nor ever will make it right to diresepct a religion...

Öh... are you saying, that making an anubis knight is disrespecting the Egyptian religion? Or some other religion?

okay... whatever :rolleyes:

Ain't it a bugger, if every modder here don't do things the way YOU want them to be done? And have you ever heard the term artistic freedom?

Now, in the last 100 posts there are about 5 or 6 on-topic posts. I think something needs to be done. :)
 
I really hope none of this pointless ranting discourages Kinboat from transforming Kal-El's AWSOME sketches into units :love:
 
Originally posted by Runamok Monkey
This decision should be based purely on aesthetics. As with the samurai unit depicted in this game, we can easily pretend that these Egytians can fight on foot as well as on horseback; we can even give them 2 movepts. But unless Dom Pedro can come up with an equally grand mask and armour for the horse, there is a great chance that our mounted knights will look silly. But as our samurai art looks impressive on foot (and this is one unit I do not munit), so will the knights of anubis - on foot.


We must not mistake what's depicted in the art for the definition of that unit. What is most important in our game art must be the beauty of it because we'll be staring at it for many hours.

From the beginning, I implored our unit animators to consider leaving the knight on foot because it looks very impressive on foot. It also may very well look great on horse, but I have been fearing that if the horse's accoutrement does not match the knight's in ostentation, then that the horse would make the knight's beautiful armor look vain and silly.

And again, like the samurai unit, who looks great wielding his katana on foot, and who looks great showing off someclassic sword moves, nobody finds it irrational that this art gets two movement points. And I have been hoping that the attack animation of our anubis knight will be more beautiful unmounted than mounted, because really, the sword wielding calvarymen don't do much except slash downward.

:thumbsup:
 
Here's my long-promised concept sketch for the Jaguar Musketman/Arquebusier...

jaguarmusketman.jpg
 
Originally posted by aaglo


Öh... are you saying, that making an anubis knight is disrespecting the Egyptian religion? Or some other religion?

okay... whatever :rolleyes:

well duh, that the entire point I've been trying to make- dont belive it if you want to, it dosent stop the fact thats its the truth
 
Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
Here's my long-promised concept sketch for the Jaguar Musketman/Arquebusier...

HAHAHA. Well, here's a musketman who has no qualms sporting a plume.

I like this first sketch.
:thumbsup:
 
Well, it looks a bit like carnival dressing. Could you leave the jaguar from head up, but make the rest more ... whatever, but not yellow-and-dots (maybe no clothes? oh, I mean not completly.. but you know ;) )
 
hmm, embryodead makes a good recommendation. I second it. in addition, i don't like to think that jaguar warriors will ever give up some sort of knife/axe, could we have such a weapon hanging on a sheath or something?

EDIT:But you're the animator :thumbsup:
 
Makes sense... that could be added.

But here... I based it in large part on this pic...

ver851.jpg


I might give him an obsidian knife, but I'm certainly not giving him the macuahuitl.
 
Originally posted by Runamok Monkey
And again, like the samurai unit, who looks great wielding his katana on foot, and who looks great showing off someclassic sword moves, nobody finds it irrational that this art gets two movement points. And I have been hoping that the attack animation of our anubis knight will be more beautiful unmounted than mounted, because really, the sword wielding calvarymen don't do much except slash downward.

:thumbsup:

The samurai should be a medieval infantry unit, and not a knight.
 
Dom, that's an eyecatching model. I can't wait for the Aztecs to join the gunpowder age. :thumbsup:
 
Xen, I am really not interested in your argument. I like my drawing, Kinboat likes it and it sounds like he will make it. That will make a lot of people happy, including myself. So, just be happy I didn't make him a Knight of Thoth.

I like the idea of the Zebra Paint on the Zulu horsemen.
 
sorry to be so pissey in saying this- but I could care less if it convinces you or not, its stated, and is out there, and its true- if you refuse it, its not my problem, its yours.
 
EDIT: doub post, my bad
 
Originally posted by Xen
sorry to be so pissey in saying this- but I could care less if it convinces you or not, its stated, and is out there, and its true- if you refuse it, its not my problem, its yours.

Posting childish crud like this just reveals to all where the 'problem' lies. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
but I'm certainly not giving him the macuahuitl.

bummer.:(

EDIT: But when aztec tactical ingenuity spanks their enemy's army, what tool will they have used?
 
Originally posted by Tacit_Exit


Posting childish crud like this just reveals to all where the 'problem' lies. :rolleyes:

spare me you attempted taunts
 
Originally posted by aaminion00
Gah. A dictionary defenition? What the hell does that have to do with anything? Yes riding a horse isn't exactly what the oxford's defenition of Knight is, but the vast majority of European "knights" in the middle ages were mounted. More importantly, the modern interpetation and the one that Firaxis used for their knight unit is a guy on horseback. That's why the knight has 2 movement points instead of 1. How can you possibly justify giving a foot unit 2 movement points in the medieval era, when all other units (even less heavily armored than knights) have 1, save for the samurai, who as I said, should be a medieval infantry replacement instead of a knight, but was a knight replacement becase MI's didn't exist in civ3 vanilla.

And really, who gives a crap about knights from sub-saharan Africa? In reference to those who say that the mounted knight from Europe is just a local Europan interpetation: bull****. Do other cultures even have a word for knight? Or if they do, does it represent the mounted one that firaxis was obviously trying to represent? The bottom line is that the "knight" is supposed to represent an early medieval cavalry unit with extra movement. Whether other cultures considered "knights" (dictionary defenition) to be mounted doesn't matter. If they instead had them as primarily foot units, fine, make them replace the medieval ifnantry (i.e. samurai). However, if one is trying to make an Egyptian knight "flavor unit", there is no justification to making him a walker.

Now I'll go back to listening to Plavi Orkestar and waiting for a response.

Now ... Try .... Deep ... Slow ... Breaths ... :)

Substitute "mounted noble" for knight and we maybe have a multi-culti definition? Or must the beast of burden be a horse (or quagga or other equine?) Can it be a camel or an elephant? (Just curious.)

"Knight" as synonym for "noble warrior" is obviously how the Samurai wound up as the Japanese UU ... And I HAVE seen historical reference to Aztec noble warriors -- no horses; sharp obsidian clubs -- called "knights".

But, believe it or not, I personally am inclined to agree with you that "knight" conjures, via our shared (*ahem*) Euro-centric culture, an armored noble on a horse.

So: (1) In your opinion, does the (literally) nature of the beast matter; and (2) sans beast, does "Noble Warrior" sound like a good name for a unit ... ? Synonyms? Etc.?

Best,

Oz
 
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