Key witness in Botham Jean case shot to death.

[hobbsyoyo]

Who actually cares? She shot a guy who was in his own apartment, eating ice cream. The 10-year sentence is heartily deserved even if we take her story at face value imo. She also shared fascist and racist memes and discussed her eagerness to kill people on social media before this incident occurred. For my part I think it's likely that she really did just blunder into the wrong apartment and her general bloodthirstiness as demonstrated by these posts led to the murder.

Wasn't the guy she shot her ex-boyfriend or am I misremembering that?

 

[Socrates99]

It's at least a possibility, but I would expect there to have been a movie on or something if the room was dark.

Right, and what are the chances they had the exact same TV? If you came home and some stranger were sitting on your couch eating icecream and watching TV what's your response? Shoot to kill or WTH? Itd at least make any sane person pause long enough to realize they'd walked through the wrong door. Theres just nothing rational or plausible about her story. The fact that it became the accepted story reinforces suspicion of corruption all by itself.

 

[Socrates99]

Wasn't the guy she shot her ex-boyfriend or am I misremembering that?

It was her partner on the force that she had a relationship with. She was texting him before and during her call to 911. They likely concocted the story together.

 

[Lexicus]

Right, and what are the chances they had the exact same TV? If you came home and some stranger were sitting on your couch eating icecream and watching TV what's your response? Shoot to kill or WTH? Itd at least make any sane person pause long enough to realize they'd walked through the wrong door. Theres just nothing rational or plausible about her story. The fact that it became the accepted story reinforces suspicion of corruption all by itself.

As I have already explained, I believe the social media content she shared prior to the murder demonstrates a mindset in which her going to the wrong apartment by mistake and then just shooting the occupant without taking any reasonable steps to figure out the situation is entirely plausible. Part of the reason I am so anti-police is because I believe the police foster an attitude and a culture which any civilized person should regard as not sane. Though the police are hardly the only source of that attitude: gun marketing also encourages it.

 

[NovaKart]

Its absolutely more plausible. I used to travel a lot for work and my crew was often put up in the same hotel where the rooms were nearly identical. Even when they were only lived in for a couple days it was easy to tell rooms apart. Smells, where shoes, boots, coats, etc went. Unless both Guyger and Jean led fastidious and spartan lives and the furniture was identical right down to wall decor it would have been noticeable in seconds. Does anybody believe Botham Jean was sitting in complete darkness eating icecream?

Her story was bullfeathers. The testimony Brown gave said he heard an exchange of words. She didnt walk in and pull the trigger without hesitation only to discover shed made a terrible mistake. She made up that story on the fly. She likely went up there intending to just threaten him and he said something that triggered her. After the rage passed she called it in with a bullfeathers story and her "brothers" backed her.

I’m not seeing anything in the coverage of this about her having a bad relationship with her neighbor, it all points to her being distracted while texting her boyfriend.

And even if your theory is true it says nothing about the odd scenario that the shooting of the witness was done by the police and not the suspects who were arrested.

 

[Hygro]

Can we just pause and say that mouthwash opened this thread so give the man some goddamn credit.

 

[NovaKart]

Is there something exceptional about this thread?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I’m not seeing anything in the coverage of this about her having a bad relationship with her neighbor, it all points to her being distracted while texting her boyfriend.

And even if your theory is true it says nothing about the odd scenario that the shooting of the witness was done by the police and not the suspects who were arrested.

The department in question has literally framed innocent people for crimes they did not commit, they have previous, does that not factor at all in your mind?

 

[NovaKart]

They literally framed them? Put picture frames around them?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

They literally framed them? Put picture frames around them?

Are you for real? They falsely accused people of trafficking drugs. Over 80 cases were dropped because of that. Why are you giving this department the benefit of the doubt? They've shown themselves unworthy of it.

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Police_Department#Fake_drug_scandal

 

[NovaKart]

A lot of very expensive lawsuits, 3 officers indicted, police chief lost his job, and now they’re going to assassinate someone in a parking lot and frame 3 people? And the suspects haven’t even said they were framed yet have they? I think one is still at large.

 

[Socrates99]

I’m not seeing anything in the coverage of this about her having a bad relationship with her neighbor, it all points to her being distracted while texting her boyfriend.

And even if your theory is true it says nothing about the odd scenario that the shooting of the witness was done by the police and not the suspects who were arrested.

https://www.theroot.com/botham-jean-attorney-nothing-in-amber-guygers-story-ma-1828998513

“The only connection we have been able to make is that she was his immediate downstairs neighbor,” Meritt said during an appearance on CNN, Tuesday. “And there were noise complaints from the immediate downstairs neighbors about whoever was upstairs, and that would have been Botham. In fact, there were noise complaints that very day about upstairs activity in Botham’s apartment. Botham received a phone call about noise coming from his apartment from the downstairs neighbor.”

That took me less than a minute to find. Botham's sister also pointed out that he had a bright red carpet at his entryway that should have differentiated his apartment from any other.

Think about this, her story is that she mistakenly went to the wrong floor, he was sitting in the dark with his door ajar, she walked in and shot him before realizing she screwed up. I'll believe that when my horsehockey turns purple and tastes like rainbow sherbert.

 

[NovaKart]

Article doesn’t say who the noise complaints were from and if her text messages including from some time ago were a big part of the trial isn’t it odd none were about him? And then one of the lawyer’s first points was that they didn’t know each other.

 

[Socrates99]

Article doesn’t say who the noise complaints were from and if her text messages including from some time ago were a big part of the trial isn’t it odd none were about him? And then one of the lawyer’s first points was that they didn’t know each other.

Lol, you're stretching really hard to believe an absurd story while a more rational one is staring you in the face aren't you?

 

[NovaKart]

It’s stretching to consider the fact that there’s no evidence for what you’re claiming?

 

[Socrates99]

It’s stretching to consider the fact that there’s no evidence for what you’re claiming?

There's no evidence to support the other story either. Just her word and common sense says a black guy in a big city like Dallas sitting alone, unarmed and in the dark with his door ajar is completely unbelievable.

When you make a noise complaint you don't need to leave a name, just that you're a neighbor. I had to do it a few years back when my neighbor was up drinking and letting his son and his friends play basketball at 2am right next to our house. A car came, gave them a warning and drove off. There was no trail, I didn't text anyone about it, I didn't call anyone about it. He did receive a warning call. Somebody did complain before he was murdered and only one neighbor went physically up to his room. The same neighbor who lived directly below him. The one most likely to make the complaint.

I mentioned I used to travel for work. During shutdown season we worked long hours including weekends. I once worked 22 14 hour shifts in a row while working in a refinery in Toledo Ohio. We stayed in a multi story hotel during that trip and not once did I lose my way to my room. I was there for less than a month. This lady and anyone who accepts her account is trying to get people to believe that she did that at her actual place of residence? Please.

BTW I have this sweet investment opportunity on a toll bridge in Brooklyn for you. Absolutely rakes in the money. I just don't want to manage it any more, I hate to give it up but, you know, I'm a busy guy with too little precious time. You'll make back your investment in less than a year, cross my heart...

 

[NovaKart]

You’re basing all of this on your personal experiences, not what was actually presented in a murder trial or reported in the news media because even her lawyer doesn’t say what you are saying.

 

[Socrates99]

You’re basing all of this on your personal experiences, not what was actually presented in a murder trial or reported in the news media because even her lawyer doesn’t say what you are saying.

Of course I'm basing things on personal experience. We perceive the world around us based on personal experience and learned knowledge. I don't know if my theory is true, just presenting a more probable narrative.

I get it, we want to believe authority figures are on the up and up. We want to believe the courts aren't flawed. A decade ago I might be arguing from your side. I just know corruption is rampant, police lie, prosecutors and judges sometimes do sleazy horsehockey. Stop being so naive. Your appeal to authority with the "murder trial/news media" isn't an effective argument. Not in today's world.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Are you for real? They falsely accused people of trafficking drugs. Over 80 cases were dropped because of that. Why are you giving this department the benefit of the doubt? They've shown themselves unworthy of it.

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Police_Department#Fake_drug_scandal

I don't think you know what "benefit of the doubt" means.

 

[NovaKart]

Of course I'm basing things on personal experience. We perceive the world around us based on personal experience and learned knowledge. I don't know if my theory is true, just presenting a more probable narrative.

I get it, we want to believe authority figures are on the up and up. We want to believe the courts aren't flawed. A decade ago I might be arguing from your side. I just know corruption is rampant, police lie, prosecutors and judges sometimes do sleazy ****. Stop being so naive. Your appeal to authority with the "murder trial/news media" isn't an effective argument. Not in today's world.

Here are the issues I have with what you’re saying -

1. You’re evaluating this based on how you would behave. You would have noticed things right away, other people tend to get lost in their thoughts. I’ve searches around looking for a pen I had in my hand.

2. You are so set on this theory you think it’s insane anyone would believe otherwise. In fact you go further than the lawyer Merrit even, who seemed like he just didn’t buy Guyger’s explanation but not that he knew what happened.

3. You seem to be making an allegation of corruption where one doesn’t even or barely exists.

4. We haven’t really discussed this much but you also seem to think if I believe this isn’t an example of police corruption then I just believe it never happens, or at least in “today’s world” as if decades ago people were so much more honest.