Key witness in Botham Jean case shot to death.

[Lexicus]

.oh no, we can't use that because some individuals (a few, a couple, one?) within the department of over 3000 officers nearly 20 years ago (who, hopefully don't work there anymore), faked evidence, we can dismiss any and all future evidence.

Do you actually believe this? Police routinely fabricate evidence and lie to cover up their mistakes. And it's the rare - extremely rare - cop who doesn't do this.

 

[Bamspeedy]

"Everybody is innocent in here, don't you know that" is a line from a movie, not reality.

 

[Lexicus]

I feel many of you want to believe the police are some sort of mafia

Believe me, I have no desire whatever to believe the police are some sort of mafia but given, you know, reality, I have no choice. Like for example if you think the police aren't some kind of mafia why don't you explain to me the difference between this and this

 

[Socrates99]

He did flee to California, and only testified after being threatened with jail time.



He had a right to fear being shot, he already had been shot before. He was worried the previous shooter would come looking for him, not the police.



Do you have evidence they were 'complete strangers'?

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Oh, evidence, what is it? What counts as evidence and what doesn't? Claims and theories made up by people with no connection to the case? Evidence gathered by police.....oh no, we can't use that because some individuals (a few, a couple, one?) within the department of over 3000 officers nearly 20 years ago (who, hopefully don't work there anymore), faked evidence, we can dismiss any and all future evidence. There can be good officers within a department that historically has had some problems, and there can be bad officers in a department that has never previously had a big scandal.

So much for this case being 'filed away in a drawer and forgotten'. They do their job and still are accused of being evil. Thankfully, Brown's killers were caught from the tips that pored in, and these tipsters were not from the "Don't help the police" crowd.

So, about that bridge, I think itd be a worthwhile investment, you could make a lot of money...

 

[Farm Boy]

It's all edges.

 

[Samson]

Oh I'm absolutely sure they have, you won't have to convince me they're extremely racist I just feel that an organized assassination is a totally different kind of thing, you know what I mean?

Every case is different from every other case, or they would be the same case. Is organising an assassination to make a point about testifying about police really much worse than shooting a handcuffed 12 year old (and then the perp getting out after 2.5 years) or falsifying the existence of drugs in over 80 cases?

 

[rah]

The inspector general report yesterday in Chicago basically claimed the CPD was similar to the Mafia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...st-16-officers-involved-cover-laquan-n1064401

 

[NovaKart]

All the apparent facts that we know are based on police testimony after the fact. Police testimony from a department known for controversy (and that's putting it mildly).

My question to you is: why can't you let people simply have a different opinion? It's pretty obvious you're not going to change yours; that's not my intention here. My intention is to show you that you're relying on believe as much as anyone else is, even if what they believe is different to what you choose to. Heavens, you can't seem to understand why the woman in question shot the original person that started this case. Hint: it might not have been a mistake!

For example, an easy and simple explanation is: the police planted the evidence and coerced the suspects to give their testimony (if it counts as testimony, not sure). The problem is, you don't seem to respect these other explanations as much as the ones you're creating.

Who’s not allowing you to have a different opinion? Did I say you have to agree with me?

Your explanation is not simple at all. Where did the police find these suspects? I’m not creating anything, I’m just pointing out it’s not far fetched that these people living in separate states could know each other.

The only thing suspicious about this man’s death is the timing.

One of the suspects was shot. The police shot a suspect, shot Brown, framed three people, planted drugs and 4000 dollars in his apartment all to assassinate someone who testified in this trial, testimony he had to be threatened to give. And then covered it up, perhaps defeating the purpose of the assassination? This really sounds far fetched to me.

Simple, that was a lie. Jean was a loud gregarious guy. Brown's testimony alluded to that and Guyger had complained about noise from Jean's apartment in the past. She went up there to "solve" the problem then concocted a story.

I mean, no warnings? No "freeze" "hands up or I'll shoot"? Nothing like that? Even in Brown's testimony he said he heard words but couldn't understand it. There was an exchange before Jean was killed. At no time during that exchange did Guyger look around and realize her mistake? Her story is absurd. Even in a furnished apartment there's going to be noticable differences right away, TV models, wall hangings, appliances, smells, etc.

The fact that her story alone remained the accepted chain of events shows bias. Now a key witness is killed shortly after this sentence. We're supposed to believe he was a drug dealer? Does anyone honestly believe that a drug dealer would insert himself in such a high profile case? He expressed fear on the stand and now we're supposed to believe that this guy, afraid of retribution, is doing drug deals in front of his apartment with people he doesn't know from out of state?

If anyone believes the official police narrative in either of these murders I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. Seriously hit me up.

Her explanation is strange but the idea that she killed someone over a noise issue is not exactly a simple explanation, or any more plausible.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Hey Novakart, did you miss the part where they have previous for doing framing innocent people, specifically with drugs and claiming they were dealers?

How strangely disengenuous

 

[Socrates99]

Who’s not allowing you to have a different opinion? Did I say you have to agree with me?

Your explanation is not simple at all. Where did the police find these suspects? I’m not creating anything, I’m just pointing out it’s not far fetched that these people living in separate states could know each other.

The only thing suspicious about this man’s death is the timing.

One of the suspects was shot. The police shot a suspect, shot Brown, framed three people, planted drugs and 4000 dollars in his apartment all to assassinate someone who testified in this trial, testimony he had to be threatened to give. And then covered it up, perhaps defeating the purpose of the assassination? This really sounds far fetched to me.



Her explanation is strange but the idea that she killed someone over a noise issue is not exactly a simple explanation, or any more plausible.

Are you kidding me? I just recently saw a video of some nutjob killing a guy over a parking place and trying to use stand your ground laws as a defense. I kinda side with Republicans when they blame mental illness. There's evidence that it's a problem. Just wish the jackasses blaming it would actually try to solve the problem.

She's a cop. She probably figured she could get away with it. At any rate all she got was 10 years. Likely less with good behavior and all.

 

[NovaKart]

How is that more plausible than her not noticing she was in a different apartment? People leave their babies in hot cars all the time and don’t notice.

 

[Lexicus]

How is that more plausible than her not noticing she was in a different apartment? People leave their babies in hot cars all the time and don’t notice.

Who actually cares? She shot a guy who was in his own apartment, eating ice cream. The 10-year sentence is heartily deserved even if we take her story at face value imo. She also shared fascist and racist memes and discussed her eagerness to kill people on social media before this incident occurred. For my part I think it's likely that she really did just blunder into the wrong apartment and her general bloodthirstiness as demonstrated by these posts led to the murder.

 

[MaryKB]

I feel it's an example of why I don't like guns: if you carry one, you're going to try to find an opportunity to use it. And when one doesn't come naturally (because it most likely won't), you end up trying to manufacture a situation where you can be a "hero." I feel the same thing happened in the Trayvon Martin case.

 

[Farm Boy]

How is that more plausible than her not noticing she was in a different apartment? People leave their babies in hot cars all the time and don’t notice.

Kinda besides the point. If there is to be any limitation on the power of police officers at all, then they entering your home while off duty and summarily executing you must fall outside what is allowed. The remaining question is if her ten year sentence is adequately stiff.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Kinda besides the point. If there is to be any limitation on the power of police officers at all, then they entering your home while off duty and summarily executing you must fall outside what is allowed. The remaining question is if her ten year sentence is adequately stiff.

And the answer to that is "No."

 

[NovaKart]

Who actually cares? She shot a guy who was in his own apartment, eating ice cream. The 10-year sentence is heartily deserved even if we take her story at face value imo. She also shared fascist and racist memes and discussed her eagerness to kill people on social media before this incident occurred. For my part I think it's likely that she really did just blunder into the wrong apartment and her general bloodthirstiness as demonstrated by these posts led to the murder.

Kinda besides the point. If there is to be any limitation on the power of police officers at all, then they entering your home while off duty and summarily executing you must fall outside what is allowed. The remaining question is if her ten year sentence is adequately stiff.

We were discussing the conspiracy theory angle.

 

[Farm Boy]

There is that.

 

[cardgame]

I feel it's an example of why I don't like guns: if you carry one, you're going to try to find an opportunity to use it. And when one doesn't come naturally (because it most likely won't), you end up trying to manufacture a situation where you can be a "hero." I feel the same thing happened in the Trayvon Martin case.

The blade itself incites to violence - Homer

It's one of the reasons I'm only interesting in long guns for personal ownership. No EDC being trigger-happy.

 

[Socrates99]

How is that more plausible than her not noticing she was in a different apartment? People leave their babies in hot cars all the time and don’t notice.

Its absolutely more plausible. I used to travel a lot for work and my crew was often put up in the same hotel where the rooms were nearly identical. Even when they were only lived in for a couple days it was easy to tell rooms apart. Smells, where shoes, boots, coats, etc went. Unless both Guyger and Jean led fastidious and spartan lives and the furniture was identical right down to wall decor it would have been noticeable in seconds. Does anybody believe Botham Jean was sitting in complete darkness eating icecream?

Her story was bullfeathers. The testimony Brown gave said he heard an exchange of words. She didnt walk in and pull the trigger without hesitation only to discover shed made a terrible mistake. She made up that story on the fly. She likely went up there intending to just threaten him and he said something that triggered her. After the rage passed she called it in with a bullfeathers story and her "brothers" backed her.

 

[Lexicus]

Does anybody believe Botham Jean was sitting in complete darkness eating icecream?

It's at least a possibility, but I would expect there to have been a movie on or something if the room was dark.