King of the World #11: Darius I

[Matthew5117]

Instead of "Play a Scenario," open up "Custom Scenario." There you should be able to change the options involving the scenario you pick. Mind you, I haven't tried adding or subtracting civs.

 

[Neal]

I did it by opening the scenario file in a text editor and just deleting the Civs that I didn't want. I then renumbered the teams to make things flow more smoothly. Took me 20 minutes or so. Not hard at all.

 

[Stewie0416]

Neal, whats your long term plan? I'm guessing you're going to allow Saladin to found and shrine a religion , then Immortal rush him. But how fast are you going to expand? I think just take out the Middle Eastern Civs, then settle on the Marble in Turkey ( or Asia Minor as they called it back then) to block Alex and Julius. Hatty could be a real annoyance in Africa having to chase her down an all ( no bad images intended).

Also, what bout that big region you have up north w/o Russia to settle. You're not gonna let Julius settle it all are you???? Also, i forgot bout India, I think you should probably just leave Mansa Munsa as a trading partner for techs and just steamroll everyone else as long as you don't crash your economy! Just wait for Saladin and Asoka to found a religion and shrine it. Then Hatty should found one as well ( most likely Judaism) and there you have it. Your new religious economy should easily support you for a few hundred years until those nice cottages mature up!

Your royal adviser/idiot,
Stewie0416 ( seriously guys, wouldn't a real monarchy with advisers be kinda cool?
PS: Srry for the long post but has anyone tried a Specialist Economy on Earth Map before? Sounds interesting.

 

[Gagonite]

First off Stewie, theres no Saladin in this game, nor Mansa Musa. It's an Ancient civ game, meaning civs who were around in 1 AD or before. Which brings me to the question to Neal: Why are the Khmer in here?! I understand why you put the Native Americans, but the Khmer? They weren't around till ~700 AD.. and they barely help to contain the monster that is China. I think Korea is good enough when it comes to that.. not that I don't like the Khmer (awesome UB and Sury has a good trait combo), but still..

 

[CHEESE!]

Heh, I keep wondering why everyone else is up at 2:45 AM. Then I realize that you guys are >5 hours behind me..... Anyone know how to get rid of an earache?

On the KotW side, is there going to be a Medieval civs next??

What are them KHMER doing here?

 

[Neal]

Okay, lemme set everyone straight, here. The Civs (and leaders) present on this map are...

In Africa:
Ramesses of Egypt
Hannibal of Carthage

In Europe:
Boudica of Ireland/Celtia
Julius Caesar of Rome
Pericles of Greece

In the Middle East:
Gilgamesh of Sumeria
Hammurabi of Babylon
Darius of Persia

In Asia:
Asoka of India
Qin Shi Huang of China
Tokugawa of Japan
Wang Kon of Korea
Suryavarman of the Khmer (who shouldn't be there, but he seems to have somehow snuck in)

In the Americas:
Sitting Bull of the Native Americans
Pacal II of Maya

That means no Hattie, no Mansa Musa, and NO SALADIN!!! *huff* *puff* Sorry

So, yeah, I'm thinking I should get rid of the Khmer and repost the scenario. I don't think it'll make terribly much difference to anyone playing a shadow, but I'd like to maintain our ancient empires integrity. Any objections?

Edit: Oh, and Stewie... We're playing Darius I, who is Financial and Organized. I'd like to make another swing at a Specialist Economy, but I think we'd be doing our Traits a disservice if we didn't spam cottages

 

[CHEESE!]

Wait.... so no Thai food?

 

[Gagonite]

So, yeah, I'm thinking I should get rid of the Khmer and repost the scenario. I don't think it'll make terribly much difference to anyone playing a shadow, but I'd like to maintain our ancient empires integrity. Any objections?

No objections here, but I personally think you should remove Sitting Bull too
He just takes over the new world like no tomorrow.. not even Barbs really stop him. Now, if you put it on Raging Barbs.. that would be a different story!

 

[Harv]

Okay, lemme set everyone straight, here. The Civs (and leaders) present on this map are...

So, yeah, I'm thinking I should get rid of the Khmer and repost the scenario. I don't think it'll make terribly much difference to anyone playing a shadow, but I'd like to maintain our ancient empires integrity. Any objections?

It is my turn to be picky.

Egypt OK
Carthage OK
Celts - Bibracte I believe is actually on the AL / Hills 3NW of Rome. The E34 location is not that far off.
Rome OK
Greece OK
Sumeria - Is actually on the Persian Gulf coast, not on the Palestine. Remove?
Babylon OK - I suppose leave somebody there to occupy the cradle of civilization.
Persia OK - Persia and Babylon do make the Middle East crowded. I would have suggested one of: Sumeria, Babylon, Persia, Arabia.
India OK - Is there a better location for the Indus River Valley civilization? City names?
China OK - Is there a better location for Shang Dyanasty? City names?
Japan OK
Korea OK
Khmer OK - I wonder how he does in that location
Native Americans OK - Continent to himself will be interesting
Maya - I see you moved to South America

Also note that some of these civilizations are more "Classical" than "Ancient."
I like the idea of Rome vs Carthage + Celts (move them maybe to Paris) in the Western Mediterannean. Greece vs Persia in the Middle East. (Since you chose Persia you can remove Babylon and Sumeria if you want.) India and China vs Japan and Korea in Asia. Native Americans in North America and Incas in South America.

Although I also think it would be funny to give Sitting Bull all of North and South America to colonize and remove the mountain barriers.

Edit: I also think it would have been funny to do Rome on Settler level to honor April Fools' Day.

 

[Gagonite]

Neal's definition of "Ancient" = Any Civ around in the B.C. era. But yes, it includes "Ancient" and "Classical" civs in this case.

 

[Neal]

... Huh. For whatever reason, when I delete the Khmer from the scenario file, the resulting map ends up knocking me out with a loss at 4000 B.C. Anyone have any idea why? If y'all are stumped, I guess I could always just WB the Khmer out of there...

 

[schlaufuchs]

It is my turn to be picky.

Celts - Bibracte I believe is actually on the AL / Hills 3NW of Rome. The E34 location is not that far off.

If I recall correctly, Neal had the Celts down as the Irish (is that where he placed them? I haven't checked the WB)

 

[Gagonite]

... Huh. For whatever reason, when I delete the Khmer from the scenario file, the resulting map ends up knocking me out with a loss at 4000 B.C. Anyone have any idea why? If y'all are stumped, I guess I could always just WB the Khmer out of there...

I'll give it a look. Can I delete the Native Americans too?


Edit: Wierd, it does the same thing to me. Hm...

 

[Fetch]

This is turning into the ALC with page after page of 'where to move the settler' posts. Congrats, Neal. You're big-time now!

 

[r_rolo1]

@Neal

I assume you simply erase the intel about the khmer in editing. That is a ,because the game does not handle very well undefined slots for players between defined slots.

I simply added intel as if slot 8 ( Khmer in your posted WB map in post #1 ) was a open slot and the game runs OK. See end of post.

About the game: I really don't think that you are considering well the possibilities in here. There is no one in the North , no Russia, no Mongolia, no Germany..... most of the eurasia will be a steady producer of barbs for a long , long time, in spite of being a nice reward for the person that can hold them. Prepare yourself for a HUGE China as well.

This will be interesting indeed

 

[dankok8]

Settle 1W on the Wine. Puts you on the coast (Fish!) and you avoid a peak and one of the deserts in the BFC. 1S and you lost Sheep and get no defense bonus. A turn lost is not that important in settling 1W imo.

 

[Joshua368]

Would I have been posible to just worldbuild the Khmer capital into ruins as well?

 

[Gagonite]

Would I have been posible to just worldbuild the Khmer capital into ruins as well?

I think this'll just be the easiest method.. though people shadowing Neal's game would have to do the same, and I think Neal wanted his Scenario to be clean-cut without having to Worldbuilder edit it.. unless he worldbuilder saves the Khmer out

 

[Neal]

I'm gonna try to play Round 1 tonight or tomorrow. I figure I'll found 1S, found a second city to claim the Horses, build up 5-7 Immortals and... What? Should I go east or west? Asoka's probably an easier target, and he might found a religion or build an early Wonder for us. Babylon's floodplains, though, are awfully juicy...

 

[nbcman]

@ Neal

Both Asoka and Hammy will tend to build Wonders (very often) but Asoka is more likely to go for a religion. Hammy is more likely to build units than Asoka. I would go after Babylon 1st since they are the greater military threat (and your UU has a bonus against their UU) and then India with your veteran Immortals. Maybe Asoka will have a religion and a wonder or two waiting for your Immortals.