King of the World #2: Frederick

[RockTheCazbah87]

Thats a good point.

My only thought is that Neal might not fancy bee-lining Mass Media for the UN. And if someone else builds it, I'm not sure whether he'd be on the list for Secretary General. But this is Civ, anything can happen

 

[Brave Jay]

Plan your 'big' war with hatty and cyrus carefully, and you can take them out one at a time. Getting hatty to war with someone meaningful while you build up panzers. You have to remember to take away oil supplies from these guys, it will be a key factor in determining how easy/quickly you can take them down. You can do it though.

 

[Shoot the Moon]

With all the warring we've been doing, in addition to running an SE, I'm sure we'd be the leader and pop and would be the other candidate in the U.N. elections. And we can choose our opponent if we so desire with the trick that I mentioned a couple of pages ago.

 

[Red Viking]

If and when you invade China you'll need the biggest stack you can get and as fast as you can (with Moscow speed might not be that much of a problem) get Industrialism as soon as possible but be sure to pick up Communism (State Property) for your empire and consider Operation Sealion to take out England because Lizzy is a tech monster but I agree on the taking out Persia and Egypt but why not beef up your panzers first eh?

 

[Thomas G.]

For information:
Saladin renouncing his vassalage & declaring war on cyrus-asoka-mansa is the same action, I belive. I guess Cyrus demanded some commodity from Saladin (Time for your tribute. Refusal means war!) and, well, I guess Saladin just said "B*gger it all, I need that. War it is. Declarations on Asoka and Mansa were automatic as they are Cyrus' vassals. Strangely, a bit later ASOKA got off the Cyrus hook, but it looks like he didn't have to fight for it. Mabye he fulfilled one of the obligations to be able to do it peacefully (mabye he lost land to China, or grew strong enough to be free)

Anyway that was very good news for you, since taking down Cyrus with his technologically advanced troops +3 lapdog vassals would have been very tough indeed. Now you stand a chance.

To break off the pack vassalage with Mansa + Cyrus, you can either attack Mansa (make him lose much land and he can break free because "master failed to protect ussss!") or you can attack and reduce Cyrus ("Our master is now weak, so we don't need him")

If I read diplomacy correctly then both Saladin and Chi-Ho-Minh-Whatever are at war with the Cyrus league. You probably are not ready for war yet but at least Cyrus is not stockpiling troops. Get tanks and bombers tech, and produce your army.

When the big bang goes down, you might consider being in nationhood. Draft infantry, build/whip tanks and bombers. Don't really think you need artillery, you can just use accuracy cannon to knock down city walls quickly and risklessly (is that a word?). Bombers for collateral (they are especially good in the open, one hit and then any ole infantry can kill whats left)

The AI sure loves to build SAM infantry - which are fodder for regular 25% against gunpowder infantry. Let em pay for that mistake.

I THINK I would shut down tech (except for a couple scientists where in oxford-city) after you have planes-tanks-artillery-infantry. Then you go to universal suffrage and use gold to buy more cannon fodder. Build only military (whip couthouses in any city which don't have on capture) and go for the win.

And later on, keep an eye on the win conditions. Getting the land is usually the problem, if not have a crowd of engineers/workers (they sure look like engineers in the modern era) farm everything and grow a while for the win.

There is a lot of land in Africa, innit? You just need to take out the Perso-Malinese bloc with the aid of egypt (try asking her AFTER you declare, she might like the idea better when she sees you are into it..).

Then you can betray and destroy Egypt with the help of Rommel, Hoth, Guderian and the Africa Panzer Corps.

 

[Shoot the Moon]

Neal, is it possible next time to include the demographics screen in the "state of the world"? Thanks in advance.

 

[Neal]

re: The United Nations- Diplomatic Victory has long been accepted as a "backdoor" Domination Victory, so I'm not wholly averse to it. Building the U.N. in a border city and gifting it to a weaker Civ, though, I won't do. Sorry, but it's a little too underhanded for me. Feels like an exploit. Also, while Cyrus is my bestest buddy (next to Asoka), he's also the biggest civ on the map, so he'd likely be my opponent. So his friendliness isn't much help. And I can't think of a way to whittle him down without making him hate me.

re: The state of the world- It's interesting. While Cyrus certainly has the biggest army in the world, he doesn't have the most advanced. That distinction would belong to the English. Cyrus is actually a couple of techs behind me (though not really enough to give me much of an advantage). Hatty is the scariest solo opponent, honestly. Almost as advanced as Liz, almost as big as Cyrus.

re: Demographics- Certainly. In fact, I'll put it up when I get home from work (should be about 2 ET). If I forget, I'll put it up in the morning.

 

[Jet]

Go Desert Fox on Hatty. She's not that advanced: Artillery and that's it. She has one easily-dispatched oil well, some nice wonders, and 5 phat cities with high pop and next door to Cyrus.

Trade for Louis's Whales.

Half-research Democracy until you can get it from Mansa or Asoka.

Do you feel threatened right now? Maybe you can afford to flesh out some infrastructure if not: at least Assembly Plants, Coal Plants, and I highly recommend Banks for growing young Reichs. +50% anything is great.

Give Assembly Line to Saladin and Qin. Bog Cyrus down as much as possible.

Do you really need the Engineers in Berlin? You can't get one in time for The Pentagon. The Statue of Liberty is gone (and guess which Egyptian leader has it.) If you run Scientists you can save a turn on Electricity and get Panzers faster. Kind of unfortunate not to run science in your science city. Also, in general I'd suggest giving maximum tiles to your National Wonder cities if possible (at least where it stacks; Rome could give up some coast, for example.)

I think you have enough production to take out all your rivals. I could be wrong about Normal Speed being too slow for Domination.

 

[Neal]

Here's the victory conditions and demographics screens as of 1735:

 

[Neal]

Eep. I started the next round today (I won't be able to finish it today, but I figured I'd get a head start). Hatshepsut completed the Apollo Program in 1755. I know the AI will build that sort of thing long before they can hope to start building parts, but that's still awfully disconcerting. We're going to have Panzers online around 1800. And we have our target.

 

[AlessioCerci]

That 51% land area is looking a long way off. It'll take some serious warring to get up there before someone goes into space. Good luck!

 

[Brave Jay]

He may need a "lightning" war to pull it off. Time for a Real Blitzkrieg!!!

 

[Neal]

I played a little more today. Managed to hit Industrialism and build the Pentagon in 1785. Engaged in a little bit of a brushfire war with Saladin and Qin, just to keep the troops busy. But now we've got Panzers on the Assembly Lines. I think it's time to take on Egypt, before it's too late. Though England, too, is looking scary. Liz already has Plastics, for cryin' out loud.

 

[Brave Jay]

Yeah, England is gonna be tough, but there's enough easy pickin's out there after egypt/persia/china to get you a long ways. after that, you'll be closer to the end of the tech tree, which will begin to cause tech parity with liz, and the main goal will be to keep her from launching. Your massive war machine will be able to take her out with sheer numbers and superior human war tactics.

 

[dutchfire]

I played a little more today. Managed to hit Industrialism and build the Pentagon in 1785. Engaged in a little bit of a brushfire war with Saladin and Qin, just to keep the troops busy. But now we've got Panzers on the Assembly Lines. I think it's time to take on Egypt, before it's too late. Though England, too, is looking scary. Liz already has Plastics, for cryin' out loud.

 

[tboner23]

Nuking Liz especially would be fun, but I don't like the global warming that happens afterwards. The one game that I used nuclear weapons, the global warming started only a few turns after launch and ruined land in my cities. I NUKED THE OTHER CONTINENT. Granted this was back in Vanilla, but that is the reason I havent used them since. I don't want to dominate a desert world. Though it does bring an interesting thought to mind about global warming... If it only takes one nuke to hurt the environment, perhaps real global warming has nothing to do with our cars, but everything to do with all that nuclear testing we did in the cold war out in the Pacific and in Siberia. Plus whatever countries are currently testing nuclear weapons and wherever they are doing it.

Perhaps nuking shold only be used to squash Liz back to the stone age, but every one else is taken the old fashioned way. Though you probably want to build the SDI first.

 

[Neal]

Played the round today. I'll post it tonight. Sorry I've been so spotty lately. I've been busy, and the game really bogs down in a warlike game on a map this big. I'll try to get this game finished in the next week or two.

 

[Neal]

All right. Back to business.

This round centers on our buildup to the war against Egypt, and the small brushfire wars along the way.

Our first task was to finally learn the secret of our unique unit:

We sent our Roman War veterans to take down a minor Arabian outpost and...

... Oh. Dr. Scout is survived by his wife and three daughters. It was a good run while it lasted.

In 1755 we received sobering news, indeed:

No, not Roosevelt getting an Engineer, you ninny. We're now officially on the Space Race clock with the Egyptians. The English might be a little more advanced technologically, but Hatshepsut actually has the production to pull this off. Egypt is going down.

I thought you all might enjoy a portrait of a dying empire:

Saladin is SO screwed.

We quickly burned Baghdad and set our sights on the real prize: Mecca!

Our efforts in Paris paid off:

Yes, we managed to score the Pentagon. I was afraid someone else was gonna snake it from us. With the HE, Pentagon, Barracks, and three Military Instructors in Rome, we were gonna be pumping out some wicked strong Panzers real soon now.

As you can see, I'm researching Communism. We've got an awfully big empire right now, and it's only going to get bigger. State Property will keep our maintenance nice and low.

Paris pumped out yet another Great Artist. Hey, I'm not complaining, though that outift doesn't suit Mr. Clemens very well. I sent him east to join the army just outside of Turkey:

I made a frankly ill-advised tech trade, but I needed Universal Suffrage for the civic change, and this was the only way to get it:

In 1790, the fortress town of Mecca finally fell. And we were lucky enough to strike the killing blow:

Hmph. No Shrine. And this late in the game, it'll be tough to get a Great Prophet out anytime soon. Ah, well.

With our techs in hand, I made the civic change:

I was torn as to whether to go with Vassalage rather than Nationhood, but I figure that the ability to draft troops could save our bacon if Hattie manages to pull off an unforseen counterattack.

Finally, in 1806, I figured it was time to let poor Qin off the hook:

I literally just had a Rifleman and an Infantry running around, razing plantations in China. And I didn't need any more unhappiness than absolutely necessary. Especially with a real war just around the corner.

So here we are. Here's the Blitz stack:

And a look at the hemisphere:

The domestic advisor:

My diplomacy:

And Hattie's:

Victory conditions:

And the graphs:

And, finally, the save:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/118138/Frederick_AD-1806.CivWarlordsSave

So, are we ready, or should we build a few more tanks? Egypt should be our target, right? Any other suggestions? As always, thanks for reading, and I hope to be a little more punctual in the future.

 

[dankok8]

Ya. Down with Hathy. Try to get Cyrus to help you out or at least make sure he does not come on her side when you attack. BTW how ahead are they in tech? Anyone complete the Manhattan Project?

 

[Shoot the Moon]

I say go for it now. Use both cannons to bombard and then on the same turn attack with the tanks. I wouldn't even bother suiciding any cannons. I would then press on to Heliopolis ASAP. It looks to me like Heliopolis has Versailles (or perhaps a forbidden palace, but I don't think Hatty has enough cities to build the FP). Watch out for those two Egyptian ships.