This is the reason that a 2 front war is so difficult to wage. One thing I might add: Do your best to bomb Persia and Mali's tile improvements. Focus mainly on food and mines. if you take away their industrial capacity, you take away their ability to quickly replace units you've destroyed. Also, look for thier HE city and prioritize it in your attacks. Good luck. This is getting better and better....
King of the World #2: Frederick
- Thread starter Neal
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I'm looking forward to it. This game is definitely "challenging"
Sorry, still no complete round. We're rapidly approaching 10-15 minutes per turn. I've taken Pasagardae, but my bomber fleet in Suez was razed by a sudden strike by 15-20 Persian Gunships. I stuck my neck out, and got hit for it. I'm considering suing for peace, but there's no way Pasagardae will stand against Persian cultural pressure. Here's the save:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/118138/Frederick_AD-1868.CivWarlordsSave
Any advice?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/118138/Frederick_AD-1868.CivWarlordsSave
Any advice?
r_rolo1
King of myself
You had pushed in the wrong direction , Neal. In this case, the british doctrine is better: hold them in a strong point (in your situation it would be the suez city and Heliopolis ) and strike the enemy flanks ( mansa and asoka ) with naval strikes.
Why did you skipped Fascism? You need Police state for modern wars, otherwise the WW will kill you ( like it is doing now ). And remember that Police state gives a 50 % bonus to the military production ( your army would apreciate that )... The only reason why Cyrus is holding is because he is in Police state and you aren't... And you can research Fascism in 2 turns by now ( and skip the temples.... )
Neal, another question: where are the airports? You lost a lost of army-turns transporting units by land ( faster army means more strength is the key spots ).... and having airports would mean that you could airlift reinforcements in situations like this one from the industrial core.
Is this game salvagable? IMHO, if you make peace, the game is lost. Cyrus and Co. have more prod and they can launch a heavy attack to you if you try space... I don't think that you have other option than war until the bitter end.... Stop the research after Plastics, $rush airports and some troops , research Fascism, revolt to Police state and strike Mansa. If you can't hold suez, you must retreat the air fleet and strike back the gunships badly ( make a hold in the hill next to the suez city if necessary (remember that gunships can't take cities....)
I would retreat from Pasagardae as well. You should had razed the city when you captured it, heal and push somewhere else. Modern war agaisnt a equal foe is about denying production to the enemy, so you must raze some cities before the final push to break production....
But IMHO, the best you can do would be pick the last round save and prepare better the war....
P.S Genghis is with his hands full. He's going to dogpile you....
Why did you skipped Fascism? You need Police state for modern wars, otherwise the WW will kill you ( like it is doing now ). And remember that Police state gives a 50 % bonus to the military production ( your army would apreciate that )... The only reason why Cyrus is holding is because he is in Police state and you aren't... And you can research Fascism in 2 turns by now ( and skip the temples.... )
Neal, another question: where are the airports? You lost a lost of army-turns transporting units by land ( faster army means more strength is the key spots ).... and having airports would mean that you could airlift reinforcements in situations like this one from the industrial core.
Is this game salvagable? IMHO, if you make peace, the game is lost. Cyrus and Co. have more prod and they can launch a heavy attack to you if you try space... I don't think that you have other option than war until the bitter end.... Stop the research after Plastics, $rush airports and some troops , research Fascism, revolt to Police state and strike Mansa. If you can't hold suez, you must retreat the air fleet and strike back the gunships badly ( make a hold in the hill next to the suez city if necessary (remember that gunships can't take cities....)
I would retreat from Pasagardae as well. You should had razed the city when you captured it, heal and push somewhere else. Modern war agaisnt a equal foe is about denying production to the enemy, so you must raze some cities before the final push to break production....
But IMHO, the best you can do would be pick the last round save and prepare better the war....
P.S Genghis is with his hands full. He's going to dogpile you....
All right, guys. We've kind of reached a crossroads. The way I see it, we have two choices. We can a) push on to the bitter end, and probably lose, or b) I can treat the last two not-rounds as an alternate history, go back to the last true round save, and, with the benefit of experience, win this war.
It feels a little bit cheaty, but I kind of favor option b. It's getting increasingly difficult for me to go back to that game, only to get kicked in the teeth over the agonizing course of 10 minute turns. This was the first modern war I've ever really played in this game. I've certainly learned a lot from failure, and I'd like to get a chance to make it right. And besides, with the crazy luck we had taking Rome and not getting crushed by England, it's not like I feel like this is a totally legit game, anyway.
Then again, there is already the leadup to the fall of the empire, which is always fun. And there is something to be said for making an example of how not to fight a modern war. And accepting my defeat gracefully is the honorable thing to do.
So I leave it up to you guys. Heck, if you want the best of both worlds, I can write up a full alternate history round of the failed war and then go back. I do have the screenshots, after all. What do you think?
It feels a little bit cheaty, but I kind of favor option b. It's getting increasingly difficult for me to go back to that game, only to get kicked in the teeth over the agonizing course of 10 minute turns. This was the first modern war I've ever really played in this game. I've certainly learned a lot from failure, and I'd like to get a chance to make it right. And besides, with the crazy luck we had taking Rome and not getting crushed by England, it's not like I feel like this is a totally legit game, anyway.
Then again, there is already the leadup to the fall of the empire, which is always fun. And there is something to be said for making an example of how not to fight a modern war. And accepting my defeat gracefully is the honorable thing to do.
So I leave it up to you guys. Heck, if you want the best of both worlds, I can write up a full alternate history round of the failed war and then go back. I do have the screenshots, after all. What do you think?
RockTheCazbah87
Pacal's pal
I'd prefer option A. Because I think that playing it to the end would be the honourable thing to do! 
But if you're up for option B then go for it. It's your game after all.
But if you're up for option B then go for it. It's your game after all.
r_rolo1
King of myself
I already gave my opinion..... but I believe that your current situation is still salvagable.
Have you tried what r rolo1 suggested? I would give it a shot. Anytime i get into a stale-mate, or even temporarily slip a little, I try to remember one thing. Pillage. Take away the enemies ability to produce more units than me. You have to win the air war to win in modern times.
Shoot the Moon
Playing World in Conflict
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Do what you want. It's a game, it should be fun. Although seeing modern age defeat would be interesting (or a modern age salvage of a game).
Can you make peace with Cyrus? If so, then go for 10 rounds of peace, get police state online, build mount rushmore and take over Africa. This should put you in the lead. With Europe and Africa under control there should be no way Cyrus could beat you productionwise. Rolo already said that Genghis is piling on you, so can you bribe him or any other civ to attack Cyrus a bit?
Better get the mixed armies up now with infantry, panzers, sams and bombers. The bombers are key in modern warfare. I usually have 2 stacks of 10 of them. 1 stack removes the culture defense, the other reduces almost all defending units to 50%. There is not much that can withstand that. Too bad you lost a big part of the luftwaffe already.
Alternate course is making peace with Cyrus and taking over Lizzy so you get the UN. She has some nice land and high pop cities to get you up in score.
Better get the mixed armies up now with infantry, panzers, sams and bombers. The bombers are key in modern warfare. I usually have 2 stacks of 10 of them. 1 stack removes the culture defense, the other reduces almost all defending units to 50%. There is not much that can withstand that. Too bad you lost a big part of the luftwaffe already.
Alternate course is making peace with Cyrus and taking over Lizzy so you get the UN. She has some nice land and high pop cities to get you up in score.
tboner23
Chieftain
no update yet? (actually just moving it to the first page)
You can still salvage this .. build (rush if possible) a few (4-5) nukes and let them fly. Hit his capital and preferably other 2 or 3 high production cities .. good idea because #1) I've seen AI's immediately beg for peace or even capitulate once being exposed to a nuclear attack #2) In case the war continues, Cyrus' industrial capacity will be lowered significantly #3) your back is against the wall so you might as well give a shot
r_rolo1
King of myself
Nukes are forbidden by the UN and I doubt that the Warlords AI would allow to build them again. Neal is stuck with conventional weapons....
BTW, the update will take much longer?
BTW, the update will take much longer?
You have two SAM infantry in Africa, one in going south, the other just ... chilling out. If you move them up to Suez, it should hold (at least in my try) for one turn. Pasagardae should've been burned and there's no way you can hold it. The good news is China goes before Persia and will take it, possibly raze it (in my try he did). I think you should try to make peace, if not this turn than next, trade Fission to Roosevelt for Facism and that other Tech he has, maybe some gold too, relax for a couple of turns and try the war again. If you wait one more turn, chances are Russia loses a city to China, I think ... so maybe peace now, with the wrecked city of Pasagardae and the Suez, might be the best option you have.
Neal, you haven't posted here since Sept. 13th. Please say so if you are abandoning this game. I was looking forward to the outcome, but noticed it's been a very long time since anything new about the game has been posted. Thanks.
Shoot the Moon
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I agree. Any info (even if it is just that the game is dead) would be appreciated.
On another note, Neal hasn't posted anywhere since Sept. 13th, so if we don't here from him soon I would suspect that something out of the ordinary has happened.
On another note, Neal hasn't posted anywhere since Sept. 13th, so if we don't here from him soon I would suspect that something out of the ordinary has happened.
