Kosovo Mafia State, supported by the west!

[Mirc]

I think you do yourself a disservice with your claim to not be a nationalist by referring to all Kosovars as "Mafia". That does not show respect to those people.

Not really. What he is trying to argue is that there is no nation of "Kosovars", and the people there are either Albanians, Serbs, Roma, or some other minorities. Thus, he has nothing against neither the Albanians, the Serbs, the Roma, etc, but he has something against the people that promote Kosovo as an artificial state founded on wrong reasons, whoever those people are, regardless if they are Albanians, Serbians, Mongols, Chileans or Indians.

 

[Gabryel Karolin]

... and Gelion brings up a good point, despite being Russian and everything.

Since you have decided that Serbs and Albanians can't live together why so adamant about denying the Serb-majority parts of Kosovo to stay with Serbia? I read a statement that said that we can absolutely not divide Kosovo but must ensure it remains a whole and multicultural entity, I mean WTH, the whole reasoning for this amputation is because the two peoples can't get along, right?

It's been many weeks now since they declared independance, and I still have no idea why this happend and who the hell benefits from this. It really makes no sense at all.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Cavic is obviously wrong. Kosovo isn't Serbia.
He might have meant Kosovo ∈ Serbia, but that's no what his shirt said.

Anyway - he was not banned for the message "Kosovo is Serbia" but for displaying a political message (regardless of what the message was). He knew the rules and wilfully broke them. So he basically banned himself.
Still: a great achievement to swim the 50m dolphin in the record time of 23,11. You should be proud of him for that. And be annoyed by his stupidity for what he did during the ceremony.

 

[Partizanac]

Milo's gang did some really bad things to the Kosovars. I could see why they wouldnt want to be in Serbia after that, regardless of where Milo is now.

I think the EU was more involved over there than the US.

I think you do yourself a disservice with your claim to not be a nationalist by referring to all Kosovars as "Mafia". That does not show respect to those people.

Albanians did some horrible things to Kosovo Serbs in Kosovo, so the Serbs don't want to live with those Albanians that killed or kidnapped their beloved ones! would you? so you have a situation to chose, who would you support...

I think your wrong cause EU is just doing what the USA tells them to do!

I think your a nationalist to call every Serb that doesn't want to give Kosovo away a Milosevic fan? and a nationalist? and there is no such thing as Kosovars, if you'd go in Kosovo and ask a man what nationality is he, he will either say Albanian, Serbian, Roma or Turk... if you'd ask Albanian what he thinks about Kosovo independence he will say he wants its independence and then in 20-30 years to join Albania... but if you ask any other minority (Serbian (orthodox Christan), Roma (Orthodox Christan-Islam), Gorani(Islam) or Turk(Islam)) they will all say they want Kosovo in Serbia. And the proclamation of "independence" in Pristina's parliament is an evidence... all Albanian partys where there, except minority's, cause neither wants to be part of its Mafia State...
And there is an Germany's secret serveces statement that says that in Kosovo there's an organized crime connected with the "government" of Kosovo. If am a lier Germans aren't...

And I will never have respect to murderers and kidnappers... will you?

 

[EnlightenmentHK]

And there is an Germany's secret serveces statement that says that in Kosovo there's an organized crime connected with the "government" of Kosovo. If am a lier Germans aren't...

I have it from reliable sources (The Croatians I stayed with and others I talked to) that Croatia was, in its earliest post-split days, a 'Mafia state'. And that such organized crime still wields great influence. That tends to happen in alot of fledgling states when they first start out. A bit of a power vacuum, corruption is rife, and opportunists will take advantage.

Doesn't mean that it will be a permanent state of affairs. And hopefully a legitimate government will take full control and assert proper, uncorrupted (as much as reasonably possible) authority. Considering they declared their independence weeks ago...I'd say they deserve a bit more time to right a rather battered ship.

 

[Partizanac]

Milosevic is dead and gone. But the last time Serbs had control, they (under Milo) tried to set up a de facto police state in Kosovo. Kosovars were a bit resentful and naturally distrustful of continued Serbian rule. 'We promise we'll be nicer next time!' doesn't provide the best of assurances to an abused people. That's like asking a battered wife to 'stay the course' rather than simply leave the abusive relationship. Sure you can ask her, but who will seriously begrudge her if she does leave?

Now this isn't to ignore the situation of the Serb minority in Kosovo either before or after the war. But there was a right and a wrong way to approach it. And removing Kosovar autonomy and putting Serbian Milosevic cronies in every position of power while restricting the rights of 90% of the population in the country simply WAS NOT the right way.

A liberal democracy does not mean that the majority gets to beat down the minority, whether we're talking political ideology, religion, or ethnicity. The Serbian majority has a duty to its minorities. The Kosovar ethnic Albanian majority also had a duty to its Serbian minorities. Yeah, the Kosovar Albanians failed in their duty. But that doesn't excuse the Serb majority in larger Serbia from doing the same. (and more widespread and drastic as well) And when it comes down to it, ultimate responsibility lies with the highest authority. That highest authority was the Serbian government. They could have found away to convince the Kosovars to treat their Serb minorities better without beating the hell out of that Kosovar Albanian minority themselves. They chose not to.

They paid the price.

please see the Serbia's demographics map and then see the Kosovo's, Albania's and Croatia's... And then read your post...

Milosevic's government is over throned and its people have no power whats so ever... altho I know he didn't do anything wrong in Kosovo... can you provide me with any evidence of mass murdering on Kosovo or anything like that? cause I can provide you with mass murdering and kidnapping in Kosovo by Kosovo-Albanians... and how can anybody say that Kosovo is Albanian when every name of the city and the province its self has a meaning in Serbian but it hasn't got one in Albanian...
All that Milosevic did is sent police down there to quell the "protesters" cause those protesters where driving the Minority's away from their homes and killing the stubern ones... but he sent policemen in trap! they went there against the KLA and ANA who were armed like F***** RAMBO, and where do you think where they got weapons? the U S of A
So whats the next step when you find that protesters became terrorists force to all minority's there that supported Serbian government (that means every minority except Albanians)? you send the army to quell the terrorists... and when you are doing it successfully then comes the NATO troops to say you committed mass murdering? and there wasn't no proof?
finding dead Albanian men in trenches isn't mass murdering its killing Albanian terrorists...
I just hope that one they they will let us go down there and finish the job of restoring a real government and not a Mafia state... if not us at least somebody... cause Islamic Mafia State is heaven to Al Quaida and all other terrorist organizations that are in Kosovo today...
I just hope one

 

[Partizanac]

... and Gelion brings up a good point, despite being Russian and everything.

Since you have decided that Serbs and Albanians can't live together why so adamant about denying the Serb-majority parts of Kosovo to stay with Serbia? I read a statement that said that we can absolutely not divide Kosovo but must ensure it remains a whole and multicultural entity, I mean WTH, the whole reasoning for this amputation is because the two peoples can't get along, right?

It's been many weeks now since they declared independance, and I still have no idea why this happend and who the hell benefits from this. It really makes no sense at all.

Albanians in Kosovo can live with Serbians and in Serbia, they just wont admit it cause then they can loose Kosovo... They lived in Serbia for so long they can't just say all of the sudden we don't want you anymore... if you ask any Senior Albanian in Kosovo (witch you will never find on line) he will say that the best country he lived in it was in Communist Yugoslavia, then there was 30% of Serbs and 70% Albanians and they lived in almost harmony, until Yugoslavia fell and Mafia took the lead!

 

[Partizanac]

Cavic is obviously wrong. Kosovo isn't Serbia.
He might have meant Kosovo ∈ Serbia, but that's no what his shirt said.

Anyway - he was not banned for the message "Kosovo is Serbia" but for displaying a political message (regardless of what the message was). He knew the rules and wilfully broke them. So he basically banned himself.
Still: a great achievement to swim the 50m dolphin in the record time of 23,11. You should be proud of him for that. And be annoyed by his stupidity for what he did during the ceremony.

He had the message in Serbia and on Cyrillic so mostly Serbs understood the message, no one else...
If it was on any other language I would understand, but the point is that only Belgium and Netherlands doesn't want Serbia in EU and this happens in Netherlands? they are mad because of Srebrenica, cause their troops where guarding Bosnian Muslims in Srebrenica and their troops let BOSNIAN Serbs of committing crime against humanity not Serbians from Serbia but BOSNIAN Serbs, there is a bit of a difference...

 

[Partizanac]

I have it from reliable sources (The Croatians I stayed with and others I talked to) that Croatia was, in its earliest post-split days, a 'Mafia state'. And that such organized crime still wields great influence. That tends to happen in alot of fledgling states when they first start out. A bit of a power vacuum, corruption is rife, and opportunists will take advantage.

Doesn't mean that it will be a permanent state of affairs. And hopefully a legitimate government will take full control and assert proper, uncorrupted (as much as reasonably possible) authority. Considering they declared their independence weeks ago...I'd say they deserve a bit more time to right a rather battered ship.

the point is that Serbia didn't did crime in Kosovo and that Albanians in Kosovo have... and Serbia has a democratic fully legitimate state that offers Kosovo a Hing-Kong status, but Kosovo gets full independence?

And Croatia was a state and they are mostly on their historical grounds... But Albanians already have state its very near, and Kosovo was never a country and it will never be! it was always part of another country and until Serbs came to Balkans since they it was always mostly in Serbia! never in Albania or being with Albanian majority

 

[EnlightenmentHK]

an you provide me with any evidence of mass murdering on Kosovo or anything like that? cause I can provide you with mass murdering and kidnapping in Kosovo by Kosovo-Albanians

Can you point out the part where I claimed mass-murder?

altho I know he (milo) didn't do anything wrong in Kosovo

Any credibility you might have had? Gone.

and how can anybody say that Kosovo is Albanian when every name of the city and the province its self has a meaning in Serbian but it hasn't got one in Albanian...

Can you point out where I said that Kosovo was Albanian.

All that Milosevic did is sent police down there to quell the "protesters" cause those protesters where driving the Minority's away from their homes and killing the stubern ones... but he sent policemen in trap! they went there against the KLA and ANA who were armed like F***** RAMBO, and where do you think where they got weapons? the U S of A

So the harmless little Serb police forces got assaulted by the EVIL AMERICAN ARMED ALBANIANS!! I see propaganda is alive and well. You are a fine example of why its impossible to have a sane conversation about this situation with most Serbs.

successfully then comes the NATO troops to say you committed mass murdering? and there wasn't no proof?
finding dead Albanian men in trenches isn't mass murdering its killing Albanian terrorists..

Yes. Because I'm sure every body in a ditch was that of a terrorist. Serbians were just that good at sniffing them out. Must be terrorist sniffing dogs. Seriously, can we borrow them? Our intelligence services and military aren't quite as adept at spotting terrorists on site.

 

[Rik Meleet]

He had the message in Serbia and on Cyrillic so mostly Serbs understood the message, no one else...

Where does it say that Political messages are unwelcome - except if it is in Cyrillic ?
You've made a non-point.

If it was on any other language I would understand, but the point is that only Belgium and Netherlands doesn't want Serbia in EU and this happens in Netherlands? they are mad because of Srebrenica, cause their troops where guarding Bosnian Muslims in Srebrenica and their troops let BOSNIAN Serbs of committing crime against humanity not Serbians from Serbia but BOSNIAN Serbs, there is a bit of a difference...

Don't put words in my mouth. And don't drag things into it that have no role in it.
The "No politics" rule on this sport-event was clear. Cavic broke that rule and you seem to have a hard time seperating "sports" and "politics" as well.

 

[Partizanac]

Can you point out the part where I claimed mass-murder?


Any credibility you might have had? Gone.



Can you point out where I said that Kosovo was Albanian.



So the harmless little Serb police forces got assaulted by the EVIL AMERICAN ARMED ALBANIANS!! I see propaganda is alive and well. You are a fine example of why its impossible to have a sane conversation about this situation with most Serbs.



Yes. Because I'm sure every body in a ditch was that of a terrorist. Serbians were just that good at sniffing them out. Must be terrorist sniffing dogs. Seriously, can we borrow them? Our intelligence services and military aren't quite as adept at spotting terrorists on site.

Unlike you I don't depend on medias like U (CNN BBC) I live in the country where the situation is happening... so I don't need medias... unlike you
If Texas, California or Florida proclaimed independence what would USA do? (don't think from your perspective, think from USA's goverment perspective) what would they do? they would send the US ARMY to quill them, like we've done

 

[Partizanac]

Where does it say that Political messages are unwelcome - except if it is in Cyrillic ?
You've made a non-point.
Don't put words in my mouth. And don't drag things into it that have no role in it.
The "No politics" rule on this sport-event was clear. Cavic broke that rule and you seem to have a hard time seperating "sports" and "politics" as well.

OK lets say you were wright!
But Cavic wore that t-shirt on semifinals too, why wasn't he warned that he can be banned because of the t-shirt (like the regulations say) why?
Why were they waiting for Cavic to go to the finals and then from the blue sky's they banned him?

 

[EnlightenmentHK]

and Serbia has a democratic fully legitimate state that offers Kosovo a Hing-Kong status, but Kosovo gets full independence?

Kosovo already had a 'Hong-Kong' like status (significant autonomy within the larger state) within Serbia. Hell, they had it to some extent under Yugoslavia. Serbia took it away, oppressed and abused them. You really think Kosovo is gonna say 'gee, lets try the old way again. I'm sure you'll be much nicer this time!' ??

And Croatia was a state and they are mostly on their historical grounds... But Albanians already have state its very near, and Kosovo was never a country and it will never be! it was always part of another country and until Serbs came to Balkans since they it was always mostly in Serbia! never in Albania or being with Albanian majority

Ummm...Croatia hadn't been a truly independent state in about a thousand years. They were always a vassal or territory of the Hungarians, Habsburgs, Venetians, Ottomans or others, before joining Yugoslavia. And its not like the Serbs were settled on the land they are now since time immemorial. There have been several migrations. Ethnic Albanians to Kosovo is just one more. It may not be a reality you like. But it is a present reality. They are Kosovo. Serbia might have been entitled to keep Kosovo had they not behaved like violent, belligerent, abusive pr*cks. But they didn't. And no Kosovo has exercised their right to secede.

 

[EnlightenmentHK]

Unlike you I don't depend on medias like U (CNN BBC) I live in the country where the situation is happening... so I don't need medias... unlike you

Actually, you're in a much more desperate need of an honest, fair assessment than just about anyone. Some credible media might actually do you guys some good.

 

[Yeshua]

Free Tibet You Commie Bastard!

 

[Partizanac]

Kosovo already had a 'Hong-Kong' like status (significant autonomy within the larger state) within Serbia. Hell, they had it to some extent under Yugoslavia. Serbia took it away, oppressed and abused them. You really think Kosovo is gonna say 'gee, lets try the old way again. I'm sure you'll be much nicer this time!' ??

It didn't had a Hong-Kong status don't fool your self... It had a normal autonomy like Vojvodina has right now... So they would be a full country... but on maps as a part of Serbia, and thats the basics...

Ummm...Croatia hadn't been a truly independent state in about a thousand years. They were always a vassal or territory of the Hungarians, Habsburgs, Venetians, Ottomans or others, before joining Yugoslavia. And its not like the Serbs were settled on the land they are now since time immemorial. There have been several migrations. Ethnic Albanians to Kosovo is just one more. It may not be a reality you like. But it is a present reality. They are Kosovo. Serbia might have been entitled to keep Kosovo had they not behaved like violent, belligerent, abusive pr*cks. But they didn't. And no Kosovo has exercised their right to secede.

Croatia wasn't fully independent for 900 years but it wasn't a part of any country in those times, in Hungary they where a Vassal state, so they had full Autonomy just in maps part of Hungary... and the troops where commanded by Hungars...
In Austria-Hungary similar thing...
Kingdom of Yugoslavia, they were a full country fully independent just on mas part of Yugoslavia... Like Scotland is part of UK.
SFRY, they were a Federal unit under Yugoslavia like all South Slavic states were, and even Croat was its dictator!
And full independence was gained 92(?) don't really know, in my opinion they deserved it, but I just disagree with the map...

Unlike Kosovo who was in that period a part of Serbia and it is and will be in future...

 

[Partizanac]

Actually, you're in a much more desperate need of an honest, fair assessment than just about anyone. Some credible media might actually do you guys some good.

like www.b92.net ??? our medias oncontrair in serbia are fully objective, unlike CNN and BBC

I just beg of you not to comment anything you don't know!!! commenitnig on something you learned on TV isn't an argument, you could like me go to Kosovo and see for your self

 

[EnlightenmentHK]

Croats deserve a country because they were a kingdom on a map 1,000 years ago? But the people living in Kosovo don't deserve a country because...they weren't there 1,000 years ago? I'm failing to grasp your reasoning here. There are numerous examples of states without a full fledged national identity or history of cultural and political independence along the lines drawn. They make due. (some of them do anyway)

our medias oncontrair in serbia are fully objective

I needed a laugh. Thanks.

 

[Partizanac]

whats so funny? have you seen our media? I don't think so... so you can't say anything to prove otherwise...
Yes Coratia deserves cause it was a country and it is a country, and Kosovo wasn't 1000 years ago and after that, the point is that it was NEVER a country and it doesn't want to be, what it does is to join Albania

And I'm beginning to think I'm talking to an Albanian