Largest economy in the world in history?
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Traitorfish
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He is dead to me.
Verbose
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What Masada said...The emperor of Japan though we were aliens when we landed in Tanegashima island (today the home of the Japanese space program, strange? not at all) and offered immediately a stretch of land to build a large palace for the "european most advanced civilization" to trade and teach the ways of the world to locals.
Sort of wondering how the Emperor of Japan acquired such a central position in the Portugese self-mythologization of events though? It's not as if he's got it in the actual Japanese accounts of the situation.
Could be a simple matter of 16th c. Japanese being more reliable witnesses, and better chroniclers, than their contemporary Portugese I guess?
innonimatu
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What Masada said...
Sort of wondering how the Emperor of Japan acquired such a central position in the Portugese self-mythologization of events though? It's not as if he's got it in the actual Japanese accounts of the situation.
Could be a simple matter of 16th c. Japanese being more reliable witnesses, and better chroniclers, than their contemporary Portugese I guess?
Their contemporary portuguese were pretty reliable witnesses. Even Fernão Mendes Pinto's account, though it probably contains the stories of several people, is still useful today as a source about events in some asian regions. As is Luís Frois' "História de Japan" and the collection of letters from the jesuit missionaries sent there.
Our contemporary portuguese, unfortunately, number some people who are rather self-deluded about history - obviously the emperor of Japan (who didn't even had a central position in Japan at the time!) couldn't care less about "aliens".
I'll blame the History Channel, on the grounds that this delusion involves aliens.
LightSpectra
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Why is it that every time somebody's location lists an actual country, the poster in question is almost assuredly and unironically a nationalist with no regards whatsoever to good history?
This thread was dead for three years until an Indian nationalist and Portuguese nationalist staked their claims. Gosh, I wonder if you guys ever get embarrassed having internet careers of being unabashed liars.
This thread was dead for three years until an Indian nationalist and Portuguese nationalist staked their claims. Gosh, I wonder if you guys ever get embarrassed having internet careers of being unabashed liars.
leoreth's location is "germany" and he is not notably a german nationalist unlike say sill
he is of course dead to me until he returns to using a sokka avatar
but that is neither here nor there
ParkCungHee
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Not to mention it's applying a very modern view of the world's resources to the early 20th century.
If any nation was strongly concerned about Oil, they'd be looking at the United States not the Ottoman Empire.
If any nation was strongly concerned about Oil, they'd be looking at the United States not the Ottoman Empire.
sophie
Break My Heart
Wrong thread, methinks. But this was definitely my first thought re: the posts about Ottoman collapse being relevant to European politics. Although I think Dachs beat us both to the punch in the thread anyway.
You haven't heard me argue in one of the European debt crisis threads then
Only if you return to your "rear view of Korra on a cliff" avatar!he is of course dead to me until he returns to using a sokka avatar
aelf
Ashen One
At least, we didn´t spent our entire resources into a behemoth battleship (bismark something) that could be sunk by a biplane torpedo because it coulnd´t turn very well
You had resources at that time? I thought you guys were just a poor backwater country by then.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Fish are technically a resource.
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
Spanish silver de facto mainly enriched other states in Europe - Netherlands, France, England mainly.
shashankac655
Chieftain
i have given links to justify my claims unlike others ,the wikipedia article about the economic history of India is locked ,i didn't lie about anything.
shashankac655
Chieftain
What evidence can you provide for this??
innonimatu
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And portuguese gold (from western Africa, mainly, at the time) flowed mostly to France and the HRE area.
And of course that gold was but a tiny fraction of the world's stock at the time. But relatively large in the gold-starved 16th century Europe, enough that even the trading cities of the Baltic minted coins imitating the portuguese currency.
RickFGS
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A poor backwater country that could buy the german military warmachine ten times over, of course they wouldn´t sell it, since they were aiming to murder jews to pay for their military expenses instead.
Oh, and don´t forget, that the "mighty" federal german of nowadays still has 100 years more left to pay for war reparations to the allies from WWII war crimes, not so mighty if we start to use our heads afteralll hein?
LightSpectra
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You either don't know what the word "buy" means, or you're confusing "ten times" with "one tenth" (though that might still be an outrageously high estimate of Portugal's economy; I'd double check if this claim were even remotely in the realm of credibility).
RickFGS
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If you start reading history books instead of just watching brainwashing documentaries and movies you might learn something different.
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LightSpectra
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And what history books would these be? Were they published during the Salazar administration?
