Last Dinosaur?

[Zardnaar]

The link in the article you posted in the OP takes one to a paper by Jeffrey Stilwell about finding pre impact dinosaur fossils on the Chatham Islands and how it looks like when NZ separated from Gondwana 80 mya, NZ was likely connected to the Chatham Islands and it could have been a refuge for Cretaceous dinos post impact. No post impact fossils yet though.

There's a paragraph there mentioning dinosaurs surviving another million years.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

The video was interesting, but when you get to the last 5 minutes or so, actual science leaves the room. He talks about geologic time periods (Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous) and then says that the sediment layers for each were all laid down at the same time. His evidence is that particular sandstone layers imply water flow and therefore a world wide flood was responsible for the end of the dinosaurs and not an impact. Geologic time is ignored. He does not explain how or why all the Triassic fossils are below the Jurassic and Cretaceous if they all lived at the same time. The biggest problem is that he ignores an enormous amount of information and only uses very selected data that can be used to point in the direction he wants to drive the conversation. Here is a biblical explanation to dispute the impact theory. You will note that it uses volcanoes during the world wide flood to explain the spread of iridium. Of course, there is no mention of volcanoes in the Bible or just exactly how a world wide flood that took 150 days to reach its peak height/depth? of 17,000 feet and then another 150 days to recede would affect world wide volcanoes. Belief in Genesis is a religious undertaking. Trying to reconcile that belief with science is an impossible task.



https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/extinction/dinosaur-killer/

Funny how observations don't match these wild claims. None of the floods I've ever observed involved volcanoes, even in BC (when the lake flooded where we had our cabin, the cottagers all had to get together and rebuild the road; I have pictures in the photo album of my grandfather's motorboat tied to the porch railing of the cabin because we couldn't get to the pier and the area in front of the cabin was under water).

There were some bad floods in my province a few years ago... no volcanoes were created, harmed, or pissed off (lot of upset humans, of course, plus great concern for the animals in the Calgary Zoo). We get earthquakes now and then, but that's due to fracking, an entirely human activity.

 

[Samson]

Funny how observations don't match these wild claims. None of the floods I've ever observed involved volcanoes, even in BC (when the lake flooded where we had our cabin, the cottagers all had to get together and rebuild the road; I have pictures in the photo album of my grandfather's motorboat tied to the porch railing of the cabin because we couldn't get to the pier and the area in front of the cabin was under water).

There were some bad floods in my province a few years ago... no volcanoes were created, harmed, or pissed off (lot of upset humans, of course, plus great concern for the animals in the Calgary Zoo). We get earthquakes now and then, but that's due to fracking, an entirely human activity.

The thing about the iridium in the KT boundary is that there is a very thin layer of iridium rich rock all over the world. The layers it is in and around have similarities all over the world. This requires an iridium source contributing to this very thin layer and not the rest of the strata. Volcanoes exploding into a maelstrom that deposited all sedimentary rock in the world does not explain this.

 

[BCheek]

Belief in Genesis is a religious undertaking. Trying to reconcile that belief with science is an impossible task.

These scientists prove the Bible flood story, which aligns with native american folklore and other flood stories from various cultures.

Spoiler: an asteroid hit the polar ice cap.

Native Americans are also the only ones who also say it rained mud during their flood story and it would have but only in North America according to this theory.

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It also explains previously unexplainable geological phenomenon like the drumlins in Western Canada and the canyons in Montana etc.

 

[El_Machinae]

Two dead links, because the 2nd one is private.

I didn't know Creationists still existed.

 

[BCheek]

Two dead links, because the 2nd one is private.

I didn't know Creationists still existed.

They're not creationists. They're both scientists. One an expert geologist among other similar fields. The other is an expert in ancient history, folklore, and cultures.

Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson

Youtube scrubbed the link. It's Joe Rogan podcast #725. The other is a link to a website that's evidently verboten on this forum since the address is being censored here. You can probably guess what the YouTube alternative is.

 

[El_Machinae]

They're not creationists. They're both scientists. One an expert geologist among other similar fields. The other is an expert in ancient history, folklore, and cultures.

Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson

Youtube scrubbed the link. It's Joe Rogan podcast #725. The other is a link to a website that's evidently verboten on this forum since the address is being censored here. You can probably guess what the YouTube alternative is.

oh, sorry, you set my expectations with 'Proved the flood story'. I misinterpreted what you meant. I've no doubt there have been many flood throughout history, many of them very important to the memories of the survivors. It would be super-awesome if there was evidence of some type of cosmic impact causing one! [I mean, as long as it happened in the past, obviously]

 

[Patine]

The Coelacanth are famously "living fossils", having been considered to have evolved into roughly its current form approximately 400 million years ago (that is disputed somewhat now). I would be surprised if some form of invertebrate is not very similar to something earlier, and if you include photosynthetic bacteria stromatolites found in australia that are very similar to fossils from 3.5 billion years ago.

The cockroach - the greatest Darwinian survival success story of common note. It has been the roughly the same species for 325 million years, surviving numerous extinction events, drastic climate and environmental changes on global scales, and decades of dedicated chemical warfare attempting it's utter genocide by humanity.

 

[Zardnaar]

They're not creationists. They're both scientists. One an expert geologist among other similar fields. The other is an expert in ancient history, folklore, and cultures.

Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson

Youtube scrubbed the link. It's Joe Rogan podcast #725. The other is a link to a website that's evidently verboten on this forum since the address is being censored here. You can probably guess what the YouTube alternative is.

My theory of the flood story is thus. You read the Bible and go back to where it mentions the Jews came from. It's Sumeria and Ur.

They're located on a flood plain. Back then the average person doesn't travel far so if you get a severe flood the world has flooded.

Mount Ararat could even be a ziggurat.

Numerous cultures have flood myths. Numerous cultures also settle on flood plains or beside the sea.

 

[Birdjaguar]

These scientists prove the Bible flood story, which aligns with native american folklore and other flood stories from various cultures.

Spoiler: an asteroid hit the polar ice cap.

Native Americans are also the only ones who also say it rained mud during their flood story and it would have but only in North America according to this theory.

It also explains previously unexplainable geological phenomenon like the drumlins in Western Canada and the canyons in Montana etc.

Here is the answers in genesis explanation of Native Americans and how they are connected to Noah. If you read it you will see that they don't have any explanation and make up theories about what might be ways. In addition, they ignore the biggest problem of how any of Noah's descendants would have actually gotten from the ME to NA and SA. The likely explanation for the fact that they are not ever mentioned in the Bible is that those who wrote the bible down didn't know such people existed. As a side note, one of the reasons that Mormonism gained popularity in the mid 19th C was that the Book of Mormon did account for Native Americans. That lack of information in the Bible persuaded many Americans that the true faith was found in the book of Mormon.

https://answersingenesis.org/tower-of-babel/native-americans-and-the-bible/

Drumlins are pretty well explained. Here is an explanation of those in western Canada.

Abstract
The drumlins in the Dollard area, Saskatchewan, are short streamlined hills, composed of stratified drift and till. Some of these drumlins are believed to represent former kames overridden by the ice. Extensive exposures of one drumlin reveal its internal stratigraphy and structure. The frontal part, facing the direction of ice movement, consists of stratified sand and gravel. The tail probably consists of till, with minor intercalations of gravel. Separating these two parts is a vertical wall of stratified drift consisting of large boulders, cobbles, and pebbles in a matrix of coarse sand. The boulders in this wall have fractures which can be considered joints as they are arranged in a well-oriented system. Analysis of the joints shows two sets of shear joints and one of extension joints. Boulders of dolomite and limestone have both extension joints and shear joints; boulders of granite have shear joints only. The joint pattern indicates that a simple compressive force acted on the wall in the drumlin which was confined above and below. The direction of this force was parallel to that of the ice movement as indicated by the long axis of the drumlin. The joints are, therefore, interpreted to be the result of pressure by moving ice against the frontal part of the drumlin.

 

[Patine]

My theory of the flood story is thus. You read the Bible and go back to where it mentions the Jews came from. It's Sumeria and Ur.

They're located on a flood plain. Back then the average person doesn't travel far so if you get a severe flood the world has flooded.

Mount Ararat could even be a ziggurat.

Numerous cultures have flood myths. Numerous cultures also settle on flood plains or beside the sea.

Mount Ararat's location is known, and has been for millennia. It's a mountain in Greater Armenia (though, by current borders, in northeastern Turkey, right across the border - apparently visible on a clear day from Armenia's capital of Yerevan). Mount Ararat is a symbol of Armenian Irredentist Nationalism. In Biblical Times, Mount Ararat was in the Kingdom of Urartu, as Armenia didn't exist yet.

 

[AdamCrock]

Aren't lizards heirs to the dinosaurs ?

 

[Zardnaar]

Mount Ararat's location is known, and has been for millennia. It's a mountain in Greater Armenia (though, by current borders, in northeastern Turkey, right across the border - apparently visible on a clear day from Armenia's capital of Yerevan). Mount Ararat is a symbol of Armenian Irredentist Nationalism. In Biblical Times, Mount Ararat was in the Kingdom of Urartu, as Armenia didn't exist yet.

Debatable.

A few places names in the bible were added to landmarks later on. Sinai for example.

What we think of Mount Ararat may not be the biblical one.

We don't know 100% were the land of punt is and the flood story is a lot longer back than that.

 

[Zardnaar]

Aren't lizards heirs to the dinosaurs ?

No birds are.

 

[BCheek]

Here is the answers in genesis explanation of Native Americans and how they are connected to Noah. If you read it you will see that they don't have any explanation and make up theories about what might be ways. In addition, they ignore the biggest problem of how any of Noah's descendants would have actually gotten from the ME to NA and SA. The likely explanation for the fact that they are not ever mentioned in the Bible is that those who wrote the bible down didn't know such people existed. As a side note, one of the reasons that Mormonism gained popularity in the mid 19th C was that the Book of Mormon did account for Native Americans. That lack of information in the Bible persuaded many Americans that the true faith was found in the book of Mormon.

https://answersingenesis.org/tower-of-babel/native-americans-and-the-bible/

Drumlins are pretty well explained. Here is an explanation of those in western Canada.

I'm not aware of any explanation in the Noah story that mentioned Native Americans or a connection of theirs to Noah. I also don't understand how the Bible not mentioning how people got to NA is relevant? Or how Mormons are relevant?

RE drumlins, there's been a long ongoing debate about the amount of water that would have been needed to make the drumlins and typically formations like that are made very quickly - too quickly for it to have been caused by a slowly receding ice cap. Mainline geology and similar fields are unable to explain where the volume of water required to make these formations would have come from that quickly. It's a similar story with the canyons and formations in Montana - a large volume of very fast moving water over a short period of time. This is thoroughly demonstrated on a smaller scale all over the world and is accepted science. Where this accepted science is rejected is when it comes specifically to these regions in NA due to the sheer scale and volume of water that would be necessary, which was once thought to be impossible (unless a meteor hit the polar ice cap), so accepted and proven science was rejected in these specific cases.

The evidence they've found also happens to align with ancient folklore. For example, virtually every ancient culture has a world ending flood story, however the Native American's story differs, during their flood it rained mud and it would have if a meteor had hit the polar ice cap and caused a the largest flash flood in the Earth's history in NA. The sea level would have also risen globally.

 

[AdamCrock]

An interesting fact ? Idk. I think some scientists said that millions of years ago (during the time of dinosaurs) there was no grass (of any kind) on Earth. Could that be true ? .... imagine ... no grass at all !! :O

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm not aware of any explanation in the Noah story that mentioned Native Americans or a connection of theirs to Noah. I also don't understand how the Bible not mentioning how people got to NA is relevant? Or how Mormons are relevant?

RE drumlins, there's been a long ongoing debate about the amount of water that would have been needed to make the drumlins and typically formations like that are made very quickly - too quickly for it to have been caused by a slowly receding ice cap. Mainline geology and similar fields are unable to explain where the volume of water required to make these formations would have come from that quickly. It's a similar story with the canyons and formations in Montana - a large volume of very fast moving water over a short period of time. This is thoroughly demonstrated on a smaller scale all over the world and is accepted science. Where this accepted science is rejected is when it comes specifically to these regions in NA due to the sheer scale and volume of water that would be necessary, which was once thought to be impossible (unless a meteor hit the polar ice cap), so accepted and proven science was rejected in these specific cases.

The evidence they've found also happens to align with ancient folklore. For example, virtually every ancient culture has a world ending flood story, however the Native American's story differs, during their flood it rained mud and it would have if a meteor had in fact hit the polar ice cap and caused a the largest flash flood in the Earth's history.

What was that massive lake that emptied after the ice age few thousand years back in NW America.

 

[AdamCrock]

No birds are.

U sure about that ? I sure am not.

 

[Zardnaar]

An interesting fact ? Idk. I think some scientists said that millions of years ago (during the time of dinosaurs) there was no grass (of any kind) on Earth. Could that be true ? .... imagine ... no grass at all !! :O

Go back far enough no grass yes. Humans couldn't breathe the atmosphere either.

 

[BCheek]

What was that massive lake that emptied after the ice age few thousand years back in NW America.

That's a theory, but it wouldn't have been enough water to cause the geological formations. There's provable and accepted mathematical formulas for how much water and how quickly it would need to be moving to cause these things and it doesn't check out for the currently accepted "science" re drumlins and other NA geology. It's been debated in those fields forever. NA has always been somewhat unexplained.

Small scale formations like drumlins are typically formed by mud floating on rapidly moving water then settling. Current theory of drumlins says they were formed under the ice and over a long period of time, but that goes against what has been proven to be true on a smaller scale. Remember the Natives story about it raining mud?

If you're interested you should watch the video. They explain their theory very thoroughly and have drone footage of large scale NA examples compared to smaller proven and accepted examples. With math you just have to scale the volume up water needed up or down. There's scientifically accepted formulas for all of this stuff in their applicable fields, but in the case of NA, mainline "science" just threw all of that out the window.