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Leader / Civ Picking Thread

Discussion in 'Team CivFanatics' started by Sommerswerd, May 26, 2012.

  1. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    Both sides have good points.

    If :health: is a limiting factor, then the +2 :health: from exp is important.
    But it's hard to ignore the +1 :commerce: from fin.
    And cre with the :culture: has the potential to make it easier to get resources, saving :hammers: on :culture: buildings.

    So hard...

    If someone from the Survivorman* side can help with an explanation of how we'd go about not falling behind in tech, that would help with a decision. That's the one issue that keeps me leaning slightly towards Mansa. Like 50.1 to 49.9.

    * I think of Sury as Survivorman because I can't remember how to pronounce his name or spell it. :D
     
  2. YossarianLives

    YossarianLives Deity

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    Sury will let us expand and grow faster because of the EXP trait. More cities will put us behind in tech initially, but it is what we need to keep up in tech in the long term. The real strength of our team is diplomacy imo, and we can use this to keep us at peace with our neighbors while we grow out those cities and catch up in tech.

    The Cultural trait is going to be what really lets us keep up in tech, though. Early border pops are going to let us work more good tiles faster (with our fast workers keeping up with improvements), and make connecting cities easier for trade routes (as demonstrated in the test games). On top of that, it gives us cheaper libraries! That can translate to earlier scientist specialists, a faster GS, and an earlier academy.

    FIN is the stronger economic trait (obviously), but Expansive+Cultural do have several economic advantages, and I really don't fear we'll fall behind in tech if we choose Sury.
     
  3. tobiasn

    tobiasn Warlord

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    Let me just repeat myself a little bit: This thread is a great example of what I wanted out of this game: long, good discussions and analysis. Thanks guys! I've learned a lot already. Especially Sommers, bistrita, vranasm (dude your English is like 100% better that first time i saw you in these forums :D) and grant.. well, all of you really. Great team, this. :)

    I'm gonna vote Sury on this one, although I'll support Mansa as our choice 100% when/if he's chosen. I'm picking Exp/Cre because with huge map size we'll probably be able to grow faster than our nemesi. Size matters. It's somewhat of a gamble, but we'll at least stand out from the crowd, have a quite unique and strong set of abilities, and it's a very good fit for our Fast Worker.

    (I might be a victim to my profession, cause the fact that Sury/India is such a different choice than all the others' really attracts me. But with Mansa too, we'll have a pretty unique USP :p)
     
  4. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd Rest in Peace Black Panther

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    OK so here is how we are looking:

    1. Grant2004 – Mansa
    2. whb – Capac / FIN
    3. Majic – Mansa or Sury
    4. 2metra – Sury
    5. Yossarian – Sury
    6. Jovan – Mansa
    7. Socraly – Mansa or Sury
    8. Bistrita – Sury
    9. Avioturso –Mansa
    10. Talon – Mansa
    11. Bowsling – Mansa
    12. Vranasm – Mansa
    13. Cav scout – Mansa
    14. Tobiasn – Sury
    15. Caledorn - (by proxy - will support 2metra or Sommer's vote)
    16. Sommers - Mansa or Sury
    17. Calis - abstain
    18. DaveShack - Mansa
    19. Halvgud - abstain
    20. Provolution - abstain

    So that's 8 clear for Mansa, 4 clear for Sury. One more hour and we go with Mansa. I really encourage those on the fence to come off now, as if all the undecideds wanted Sury there would actually be a majority for Sury. I dont want a situation where people are saying after the fact that they want something other than what was chosen.:) I am still fine with either.
     
  5. whb

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    Mansa.

    Counter intuitively, the argument that it's a huge map and sury grows faster suggests to me Mansa is a better choice. If there's lots of space, rapid growth would crash our economy long before we'd be competing for space. Financial mitigates the cash limit on growth, whereas exp/cre don't.
     
  6. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    Good point. The little bit of map information we have received indicates there are large gaps between start locations, and probably room for a decent number of cities.
     
  7. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd Rest in Peace Black Panther

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    Everyone please stop arguing with LP over what he said about us :please:. I sent him a PM about it. Save your energy for the rules debate. We will need it.

    Pick in 10 mins.
     
  8. YossarianLives

    YossarianLives Deity

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    Nice announcement. Mansa of India is a pretty solid combo, I would say one of the best in this game.

    Now on to the next argument...er, I mean discussion!
     
  9. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd Rest in Peace Black Panther

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    Funny, It seems that civforum.de was having essentially the same debate we were.:lol: By HuscH's post, it seems like they were poised to pick Mansa Musa and were arguing about needing the EXP trait or the FIN trait, cause after we picked Mansa, HuscH commented that we had simplified their choice and then picked Isabella. So it seems we were on the right track with our discussions;)
     
  10. cav scout

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    I agree, that was a great announcement Sommers. :D

    We should totally use the old spice guy meme for Mansa Musa when we post in the UN forum. Nothing like a little humor to make the other teams think we are decent chaps. Of course we might need to post some youtube links for folks outside of the U.S. television market.
     
  11. tobiasn

    tobiasn Warlord

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    Hehe. Old Spice guy is pretty international.
     
  12. 2metraninja

    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    I read RB forum often and I see they got so inspired by the MTDG idea, that decided to make their inner-site MTDG. What is more interesting is their list with bans (these guys like to ban things). For leaders/traits the ban list goes like:

    and the civs ban list is like:

    with special mentioning of India and Inca:

    So our pick for ISDG3 would be considered good by them as I see. Suri would have been good too (packing 2-nd and 3-rd place traits instead of 1-st and 4-th like Mansa)
     
  13. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd Rest in Peace Black Panther

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    :lol: RB

    Just have everyone play as Tokugawa and be done with it.
     
  14. vranasm

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    you could suggest playing Sid Meyer every team to them...

    and btw there is no Cre/Cha leader...oops
     
  15. 2metraninja

    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    LOL

    Good catch!
     
  16. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd Rest in Peace Black Panther

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    So based on those banned traits you can't pick:

    Darius I
    Elizabeth
    Hannibal
    Huayna Capac
    Mansa Musa
    Pacal II
    Ragnar
    Victoria
    Wang Kon
    Willem van Oranje
    Bismarck
    Isabella
    Joao II
    Mehmed II
    Peter
    Suryavarman
    Washington
    Catherine
    Hatshepsut
    Pericles
    Zara Yaqob
    Asoka
    Gandhi
    Justinian I
    Rameses II

    Who's left:confused: Can you even play an 18 player game with these setting?

    Just for fun;) If you were plying in this hilarity:lol: who would you pick?
     
  17. vranasm

    vranasm Deity

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    hatty but since egypt is banned hmm

    maybe of bysantium?

    edit
    ah crap byzance banned

    hmmm you have to choose from these America, Germany, Celts, Russia, Khmer, Portugal, Natives, Japan, Ethiopia, Carthage, Arabia, Sumeria, Persia, Mongolia, Aztecs, Korea
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    Khmer is interesting, Ethiopia has decent start techs

    Carthage could be good on water map and has good enough UU

    Sumer has good techs, could use org leader though
     
  18. vranasm

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    maybe Zara of Summer... Cre/Org with CH at PH, the only problem being overlap with myst line for Cre leader.

    At one point Zara was my favourite leader...
     
  19. Majic

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    I'd pick de Gaulle of Native America, depending on settings ofc.

    I read that thread (parts of it), and I think the point is that they are tired of playing the same leaders every game, trying something new.

    Edited: Civ
     
  20. 2metraninja

    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    Yes, yes of course this is the goal. I like random for that reason too.
     

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