Both sides have good points. If is a limiting factor, then the +2 from exp is important. But it's hard to ignore the +1 from fin. And cre with the has the potential to make it easier to get resources, saving on buildings. So hard... If someone from the Survivorman* side can help with an explanation of how we'd go about not falling behind in tech, that would help with a decision. That's the one issue that keeps me leaning slightly towards Mansa. Like 50.1 to 49.9. * I think of Sury as Survivorman because I can't remember how to pronounce his name or spell it.