Lebensraum - Hitler's observation about America

449: Vortigern invites Anglo-Saxons

Did other Celts at least punish him for that? :confused: By the way - Turks also got invited to Europe by Byzantines. And we know how it ended.

Not to mention that the Teutonic Order was invited to Poland by duke Konrad Mazowiecki. And other dukes also invited some German settlers.

But after Polish duke of the Duchy of Głogów (German: Glogau) had invited too many German settlers to his lands, and resigned his claim to Pomerania in favour of the Teutonic Order, he got excomunicated by Archbishop of Gniezno Jakub Świnka during the Synode of Łęczyca on 6 January 1285.

According to 14th century abbots of Zbraslav, authors of Czech Zbraslav Chronicle, when a German chaplain - Hans Wulfing - in year 1300 delivered a speech in Latin during coronation of Wenceslav II, Archbishop Jakub Świnka (Archbishop from 1283 to 1314) told him:

"Your Latin is very good, but you are still a German doghead."

Note that for Archbishops of Gniezno to restore the unity of Silesia with the rest of Poland was a very important goal, because Silesia was part of the Polish Church Province (with its seat in Gniezno) - and it remained part of that province (red colour below) even after political borders changed:

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Note that Jakub Świnka was himself a person originating from a native Silesian family (they had lived near Świny - German: Schweinhaus - location which gave name to their surname and to their coat of arms), but his grandparents had migrated to Land of Sieradz in Central Poland.

Jakub Świnka (Latin: Iacobus Swinka):

During one of synodes he called a decree was enacted, which ordered sermons in churches to be in Polish language:

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(he is pointing at Germans or pro-German guys to be excommunicated, probably)
 
From the 16th through the 19th centuries, the population of Indians sharply declined.[35] Most mainstream scholars believe that, among the various contributing factors,[36] Epidemic disease was the overwhelming cause of the population decline of the American natives because of their lack of immunity to new diseases brought from Europe.[37][38][39][40] It is difficult to estimate the number of Native Americans living in what is today the United States of America.[41] Estimates range from a low of 2.1 million to a high of 18 million (Dobyns 1983).[3][4][42][43] By 1800, the Native population of the present-day USA had declined to approximately 600,000, and only 250,000 Native Americans remained in the 1890s.[44] Chicken pox and measles, endemic but rarely fatal among Europeans (long after being introduced from Asia), often proved deadly to Native Americans.[45][46][47][48] In the 100 years following the arrival of the Spanish to the Americas, large disease epidemics depopulated large parts of the eastern United States in the 15th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States#Historical_population

Four continents were entirely colonized by Europeans - both Americas, Africa and Australia.

In the Americas, at least in North America, most of natives were replaced by Europeans.

The same also took place in Australia. But OTOH in Africa that was not the case.

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Indigenous people and all people with some indigenous ancestry in the Americas by country (approximate percentages):

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Grey = either no data or very small number of indigenous people / ancestry. Dominica has the largest Carib minority (4%).

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Colonization of Africa started really in 1881. During the 1870s, not even 10% of Africa was controlled by Europeans.

Colonization of the Americas started in ca. 1500 and colonization of Australia in 1788. One of factors is duration.

Another factor is lower resistance of Americans and Australians to European diseases, compared to Africans.

Then of course differences in population density come to mind, but this applies especially to Australia.
 
In Robert J. Gordon's article linked below, Hitler's inspiration by American history is also mentioned:

http://www.nber.org/papers/w14560.pdf

ABSTRACT

Historians have long recognized the role of economic resources and organization in determining the outcome of World War II: the Nazi economy lacked the economic resources and organization to oppose the combined might of the U.S., U.K., and U.S.S.R. A minority view is that the Germans were defeated not by economics, but by Hitler's many strategic and tactical mistakes, of which the most important was the invasion of the Soviet Union. Compared to this debate about the outcome of the war, there has been less attention to economics as the cause of World War II. This is a review article of a new economic history of the Nazi economy by Adam Tooze which cuts through the debate between economics and Hitler's mistakes as fundamental causes of the outcome. Instead, Tooze argues that the invasion of the Soviet Union was the inevitable result of Hitler's paranoia about the land-starved backwardness of German agriculture as contrasted with the raw material and land resources of America's continent and Britain's empire. The American frontier expansion that obliterated the native Indians provided Hitler with a explicit precedent, which he often cited, for pushing aside the native populations in the east to provide land for German Aryan farmers. Germany's agricultural weakness is summarized by its low land-labor ratio, but Poland and the Ukraine had even less land per person. Thus simply acquiring the land to the east could not solve Germany's problem of low agricultural productivity without removing the native farming populations. Far better than other histories of the Third Reich, Tooze reveals the shocking details of General Plan Ost, the uber-holocaust which would have removed, largely through murder, as many as 45 million people from eastern agricultural land. Tooze, like the Nazis before him, fails to emphasize that the solution to Germany's agricultural problem was not acquiring more land for the existing German farm population, but rather by raising the land-labor ratio by making the existing German land more efficient, mechanizing agriculture and encouraging rural-to-urban migration within Germany. (...)

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Didnt Hitler another time claim the US was no threat because it had no racial identity? he just blabbered whatever delusion fit his argument at a given time, he would have been good on message boards.

He really would have, wouldn't he? Perhaps if internet message boards existed in his time he never would have come to power because he would have wasted all his time sitting in his underwear blathering on about Jews this and Reich that on the internet.
 
He really would have, wouldn't he? Perhaps if internet message boards existed in his time he never would have come to power because he would have wasted all his time sitting in his underwear blathering on about Jews this and Reich that on the internet.
:lol:
That sounds extremely likely
 
The lack of resistance to Zyklon B in Jews was more significant than anything else. And it wasn't due to being less healthy or vigorous, but because Jews let themselves to gas chambers.

Also, a group of people which came to power during the Third Reich had a far more advanced social structure and technology than Jews. This group found many new trades and businesses previously untapped.

Considering all that, no wonder Jews experienced an economic downfall.
 
but because Jews let themselves to gas chambers.

Yes, but in most cases they were not aware that they were going into gas chambers - until it was too late.

Instead, they were being told that they were going to work. From Witold Pilecki's Auschwitz report:

http://witoldsreport.blogspot.com/2008/05/introduction.html

http://witoldsreport.blogspot.com/2008/05/volunteer-for-auschwitz-report-by.html

(...)

[Transports of Jews from all over Europe]

Who was going just into the jaws of death, and why?

Jews were going from Bohemia, France, the Netherlands and other countries of Europe. They went alone, unescorted, and only about ten to twenty kilometres from Auschwitz the vans were guarded, and they were delivered to a side-track, to Birkenau.
Why did they go? I had an opportunity to talk to Jews of France several times and one time with a transport from Poland, which was rare to be met here. It was a transport of Jews from Białystok and Grodno. From what they told me unanimously it might be concluded, that they were arriving due to official announcements in various cities and states under German rule, from which it appeared that only those Jews would live on, who would go to work in the Third Reich. So they went to work in the Third Reich. All the more, they were encouraged by letters written by Jews from Auschwitz and perhaps from other camps, that they worked in good conditions and did well.
They had the right to take a hand luggage - what they were able to carry by themselves. So some of them took two suitcases, in which they tried to carry all their property, having sold their immovables and movables and having purchased some small and valuable things, for instance gold, gold dollars...
Railway transports, which were carrying about one thousand people a day, ended their route in the side-track. Trains were brought to platforms and their content was unloaded. Interesting, what thoughts were in the heads of SS-men?
There were many women and children in the vans. Sometimes, there were children in cradles. Here all of them were to end their lives collectively.
They were carried like a herd of animals to be slaughtered.
Meanwhile, not apprehending anything and upon an order, the passengers got out to the platform. To avoid troublesome scenes, some relative politeness was kept in relation to them. They were ordered to put their food in one stack, while all their things - in another. It was told the things would be returned. First apprehensions arose by the passengers, whether they would not loose their things, whether they would find their ones, whether their suitcases would not be interchanged....
Then they were divided into groups. Men and boys above 13 went into one group, women with children - into another. Under the pretext of a necessary bathing, they were all ordered to undress in two separate groups, to preserve some appearances of the feeling of shame. Both groups put their clothes into big stacks, supposedly to deliver them to disinfection. Then an anxiety was more visible, whether their clothes would not be lost, whether their underwear would not be interchanged.
Then, in hundreds, women with children separately, men separately, they went into huts which supposedly were baths (while they were gas chambers!). There were windows from the outside only - fictitious, inside there was a wall only. Upon the closure of sealed door, a mass murder was conducted inside.
From a balcony - a gallery, an SS-man in a gas mask dropped gas upon the heads of a crowd gathered under him. Two kinds of gas were used: in cylinders, which broke, or in disc which, having opened an air-tight can and dropped it by an SS-man in rubber gloves, turned into volatile state and filled the gas chamber, killing the gathered people quickly. It lasted several minutes. They waited for ten minutes. Then it was aired, chamber doors opposite to the platform were opened and commandos composed of Jews carried still warm corpses in wheel-barrows and carts to nearby crematorium where the corpses were burnt quickly.
In that time next hundreds went to the gas chambers. In future, technological improvements were implemented in that slaughter-house for people, upon the implementation of which the process ran more quickly and efficiently.

(...)
 
The lack of resistance to Zyklon B in Jews was more significant than anything else. And it wasn't due to being less healthy or vigorous, but because Jews let themselves to gas chambers.

Also, a group of people which came to power during the Third Reich had a far more advanced social structure and technology than Jews. This group found many new trades and businesses previously untapped.

Considering all that, no wonder Jews experienced an economic downfall.

I wonder what you're trying to say here.

Wouldn't you say, instead, that the murderous intention of the Nazis was more significant than anything else?
 
^ I'm guessing you're an internet bot.

edit: this makes me look a right twit! But honestly there used to be another post above this one. I'm not really talking to myself.
 
Yes, but in most cases they were not aware that they were going into gas chambers - until it was too late.

Instead, they were being told that they were going to work. From Witold Pilecki's Auschwitz report:

http://witoldsreport.blogspot.com/2008/05/introduction.html

http://witoldsreport.blogspot.com/2008/05/volunteer-for-auschwitz-report-by.html

I didn't know people actually went to Auschwitz by themselves, that's bizarre but I guess quite believable.

And reading that kind of stuff is always depressing. We can only imagine the impact those experiences had, and still have, on the collective identity of Jews.
 
This seems to make sense somehow.:lol:

But this would mean that in fact all Poles are... Waterpoles! :p

http://karta.org.pl/Wydawnictwo/Nowosci_i_zapowiedzi/39

Cover of memoirs of Joachim Ceraficki - one of Poles who were conscripted to the Wehrmacht:

Spoiler :
W Wehrmachcie służyło około 500 tysięcy Polaków. Większość z nich przez resztę życia ukrywała ten fragment swojej historii. Joachim Ceraficki, jako jeden z nielicznych, zdecydował się o tym opowiedzieć.

Wcielony do Wehrmachtu w maju 1942 jako obywatel Rzeszy III kategorii spędził w niemieckim wojsku niemal trzy lata. Zdezerterował w styczniu 1945. Starał się być dobrym żołnierzem, bo w ten sposób minimalizował ryzyko śmierci. W okopach jego patriotyczna postawa nie miałaby znaczenia – tam najważniejsze okazywało się koleżeństwo.

Ceraficki opisuje swoje doświadczenia tego czasu: pisze o kolegach, o strachu, o dziewczynach, o urlopach w domu, o warunkach życia niemieckich żołnierzy na froncie.

Ważne świadectwo tego, jak dalekie od stereotypowych wyobrażeń mogły być wojenne losy Polaków ze Śląska i Pomorza.

https://translate.google.com/#auto/... być wojenne losy Polaków ze Śląska i Pomorza.

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Or maybe Swimmingpool(e)s, who knows.
 

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Huh. That's like claiming "it's not the fiat system it's to blame, it's the banks!". One leads to another, more or less.
 
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