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no one in their right mind would attack China

no one in their right mind since the birth of CHina would even attack ALL of CHina... except the Mongols. :p

anyhow, China may go up and down on its way up, but its going up. the question is now not if, but when. China is an ancient civilizaiton; even if they are communists, they're still CHinese - they still learned something from their ancestors. they've already had previous experience rising to the peak - more than enough to learn from, in my opinoin.
 
Let's discuss Poland.

No way.

Let's discuss American power status. Yay. xD

OT ftw
 
Poland stems from all others, and all others stem from Poland... an endless cycle.
 
We demand an off topic forum, to discuss world politics, and economics! So i can plan my take over of the world, as i take control of the opec nations, and make everyone vassal :lol: !
 
We demand an off topic forum, to discuss world politics, and economics! So i can plan my take over of the world, as i take control of the opec nations, and make everyone vassal :lol: !

There ya go. The world certeinly needs another USSR...
 
We demand an off topic forum, to discuss world politics, and economics! So i can plan my take over of the world, as i take control of the opec nations, and make everyone vassal :lol: !

You do know that CFC does have an Off-Topic forum, right? It's down near the bottom of the index (where all the dregs sink to ;)).
 
Since everything else is 'steming from Poland'..

My Lunch stems from it too. I had Noodles made in Gdansk. Crazy world.
 
^er... sounds more "Eastern" to me.

Well, those are two ways of conceiving eternity - Eastern is, I think, like "things after things after things..." and Hebrew is "things in things in things...".

I'm puzzled in this point ;) I don't know which way of structuring items suits better this very situation.

There is something spooky in discussing such OT in Polish (formally) thread. :)
 
OMG!!!! WHAT IS WITH THE CONSTANT POLISH DEMANDS!!! seriously!? get over it! or just mod one in. maybe im naive but i have never regarded poland as a huge civ in world history the likes or Rome, Egypt etc...and some of the other "lesser" civs in the game are purely to give culturally diverse set of civs. i just cannot believe the overwhelming number of comments about polish civ. while we are at it why not add austria-hungary, bulgaria, etc.

What the hell is wrong with Austria-Hungary? They where really bloody powerful back in the day. Although having HRE, Austria AND Germany is a bit weird... it does kinda make sense because:

Germany and Austria are both Holy Roman Imperial successor states. So why Germany = HRE if Austria =/= HRE? Austrian emperors also had the title of Holy Roman Emperor.
 
So, have we finally come to the point that people are done argueing about Poland, or at least tired of it? Or in a couple days are you all going to start it back up in some other thread? I'll be honest, these Poland arguments are becoming extremely annoying and I'm to the point of treating them the same way as Hitler threads, as in instant lock. The same arguments have been made a hundred times on both sides and I'm sure we can all agree that neither side is going to budge. Yeah, occaisionally one person will sway across the line, but like yin and yang, another sways the opposite way.
 
When considering a new Civ to be added, ask yourself:

Can you really compare them to the
.) Maya
.) Babylonians
.) Ancient Greeks
.) Romans
.) to some extent, any of the others?

While there are some Civs i dont agree with in CiV4, they have mostly one thing in common: They did something amazingly.
Whether this was amazingly stupid (Mansa, im looking in your direction here), or something amazingly brilliant is not the point.
If that, which theyre renown for, is true or not: not the point.
They are known, by people around the world, for something.

Everyone knows the Germans, for events taking place mid-20th-century.
But they are known.
Everyone knows the Greeks, for inventing philosophy and buttsecks.
But they are known.
Everyone knows the Actecs, for nothing more than having existed at some point.
But they are known.

Like Paris Hilton, Civ just need to be known, no matter what for.
There is no "bad PR", only PR and better PR.

What has that Civ-to-be in question done to change the history of the world?

Have they developed a culture of their own, which influenced many others in many ways?
Have they conquered large amounts of terretory to form an incredibly large empire?
Have they developed an economy so splendid to outshine all others?
Have they built cities or buildings or monuments so vast and grand that no one thought it possible?
Have they brought forth an individual so extraordinary, that he is known to people from one end of the world to the other?
Have they provided incredibly important scientific breakttroughs, which still form a basis for todays scientists?

Have they accomplished a single feat that will be talked about in a 1000 years?

If you cannot answer at least ONE question with yes, then theyre plain unfit to be a Civ (tm).
 
So, have we finally come to the point that people are done argueing about Poland, or at least tired of it? Or in a couple days are you all going to start it back up in some other thread? I'll be honest, these Poland arguments are becoming extremely annoying and I'm to the point of treating them the same way as Hitler threads, as in instant lock. The same arguments have been made a hundred times on both sides and I'm sure we can all agree that neither side is going to budge. Yeah, occaisionally one person will sway across the line, but like yin and yang, another sways the opposite way.

I say.... "Lock Poland (might be overstretching your authority a tad, but hey!).... with a great big lock..... and then wave the key invitingly from a distance.... until they ALL promise not to post anything more about Poland!" :D
 
Have they developed a culture of their own, which influenced many others in many ways?
Have they conquered large amounts of terretory to form an incredibly large empire?
Have they developed an economy so splendid to outshine all others?
Have they built cities or buildings or monuments so vast and grand that no one thought it possible?
Have they brought forth an individual so extraordinary, that he is known to people from one end of the world to the other?
Have they provided incredibly important scientific breakttroughs, which still form a basis for todays scientists?
Have they accomplished a single feat that will be talked about in a 1000 years?

If you cannot answer at least ONE question with yes, then theyre plain unfit to be a Civ (tm).

I think you can safely say that EVERY nation in the world thereby deserves to be in.... you're hardly going to convince a citizen of any given nation that their nation doesn't match at least one of this criteria!

The problem is the "what you think" and the "what they think" doesn't match.
 
Actually in this context what they themselves think is largely irrelevant. The judgement ought to be done from the point of view of the outside observer that has little to gain one way or the other.
 
Actually in this context what they themselves think is largely irrelevant. The judgement ought to be done from the point of view of the outside observer that has little to gain one way or the other.

And so, if an objective outsider ruled your nation to be unworthy of being in a game depicting civilization, you'd just accept it? :mischief:

I don't think you can objectively state any negatives for those questions - perhaps the objective outsider is lacking in facts having been indoctrinated into a different educational clique.
 
They did something amazingly.
Whether this was amazingly stupid (Mansa, im looking in your direction here),

Everyone knows the Greeks, for inventing philosophy and buttsecks.
But they are known.
Everyone knows the Actecs, for nothing more than having existed at some point.

:lol: :lol: :goodjob:
 
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