Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Well good... now I don't have to remember who it was...Yeah, I think that's me as wellI'll see what I can do with the colours.
Maybe one day you guys will figure out just how old and senile I am.
[LH] Hitler
- Thread starter NikNaks
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Maybe one day you guys will figure out just how old and senile I am.
Okay, well I've updated the main download. I've moved it round, blurred it a touch and made the swastika dark grey rather than black. Hope it's better now 
Here's the changed file attached.
Oh, do you have any good source pictures for Chiang? I've found a few on Google, but they aren't that brilliant.
Jimmyballz
Executive
Outstanding LH!! I was using the awesome hatless Hitler that DWolf posted for some time now, and this one is even better
As for the 'mad-hatter,' I think it is a far better improvement form the Roosevelt, & my only other comment is the hat is missing the insignia. I wish I knew how to combine your's with KrugerPritz's hat.
No worries, love the hatless
!!! Keep up the great work.
-Jimmy
As for the 'mad-hatter,' I think it is a far better improvement form the Roosevelt, & my only other comment is the hat is missing the insignia. I wish I knew how to combine your's with KrugerPritz's hat.
No worries, love the hatless
!!! Keep up the great work.-Jimmy
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Seems the hatless version is popular...
Chaing is hard to come up with good clear pictures (I posted one earlier, did you see it?).
Chaing is hard to come up with good clear pictures (I posted one earlier, did you see it?).
DWOLF
Death Before Dishonor
Finally!
Hey there's a hatless version of Hitler, seems like Wolfshanze's nagging payed off...hehe... 
j/k
nice work Niks!
Hey there's a hatless version of Hitler, seems like Wolfshanze's nagging payed off...hehe...
j/knice work Niks!
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Squeaky wheel and all DWOLF...Finally!
Hey there's a hatless version of Hitler, seems like Wolfshanze's nagging payed off...hehe...
nice work Niks!
I think the Wolfshanze Mod has come full circle now... updating Hitler and all... do you know the Wolfshanze Mod v1.0 started with DWOLF's BtS Hitler Mod as the initial base?
DWOLF
Death Before Dishonor
Like I said, you've come along way Wolfshanze...
about Hitler, he's still smiling at me...I want him to be annoyed....
about Hitler, he's still smiling at me...I want him to be annoyed....
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Okay... for the first time since DWOLF's BtS Hitler Mod (and v1.0 of the Wolfshanze Mod), I've uploaded a different Hitler (I never liked the FDR Hitler).... now I've got something beyond screenshots to go on...
More (in-game) feedback/constructive criticism:
1) First and foremost, this new Hitler is a torso & head with arms, and I know so because I can see that in-game. In other words, I can distinctly see the floor of the Chancellery underneath Hitlers disembodied torso. In any animation sequence, the floor is visible where Hitlers body should be (look underneath the iron cross on his shirt in-game, you can see the floor where you shouldn't be able to)... in some animations (where he's mad and reals-up) you can see considerable amount of floor where you shouldn't be able to.
I know that the model is only a torso & head with arms (as are all LHs), but I guess this one is set too high in the frame, and/or the camera is zoomed out too much?!?!? In either case, something should be done so you can't see the floor underneath Hitler's torso... this was not a problem with Elohim's Hitler (I even double-checked to make sure I wasn't seeing things).
2) Something is wrong with the arms... call it "football pads syndrome"... seems his arms are too low compared to his shoulders... like someone ripped his arms out of their sockets and they're sagging a bit out of his shoulder sockets. His shoulders are too high or his arms are too low. That's my take... once again, I compared it in-game with Elohim's Hitler to make sure I wasn't seeing things (and I checked default DeGaulle too), and I thought Elohim's Hitler shoulders/arms seemed more natural (as well as DeGaulle's). I have no idea how easy/hard this is to fix, but the arms definitely seem too low on the model compared to his shoulders.
3) The animations still don't seem right... at least not for Hitler... now this is purely personal opinion, not a mechanical fault with the model... so it's not so much a model problem, just my own thoughts... Elohim's Hitler seemed animated... well... like what you'd expect Hitler to be. If you were against him, used him yourself, or just viewed him in the "Select Leaderhead" screen, you'd get him scowling and putting his hands on his hips and looking disgusted... with this one, I'm getting a lot of hands in the shirt, half grins and pompously looking left and right... more like what I'd expect (and in fact do see) Napoleon do in-game. Is there a way you could just "steal/borrow" all of Elohim's Hitler animations for every pose? Is that possible? I think that might be best if that's possible. Once again, that's my 2-cent-take on animations, and it's certainly MY opinion, and I can't say Hitler would or wouldn't pose like that... but to me, it just felt like Elohim's animations were more appropriate, and the current set still seems to act too much like Napoleon with the hand in the shirt bit.
Having said all that...
This is still a fantastic LH... I like the overall look better then Elohim's... the uniform is certainly a big improvement... I think if you could fix the "floor under the torso" thing, and fix the arms a bit... those are must-haves... I know my thoughts on animation use is a personal one, but it'd be a bigger bonus if you could fix that too... if not, oh well, just fix the torso and arm issues and I'd be pleased as punch.
P.S.
Yes, he's still smiling at me, and it must stop!
More (in-game) feedback/constructive criticism:
1) First and foremost, this new Hitler is a torso & head with arms, and I know so because I can see that in-game. In other words, I can distinctly see the floor of the Chancellery underneath Hitlers disembodied torso. In any animation sequence, the floor is visible where Hitlers body should be (look underneath the iron cross on his shirt in-game, you can see the floor where you shouldn't be able to)... in some animations (where he's mad and reals-up) you can see considerable amount of floor where you shouldn't be able to.
I know that the model is only a torso & head with arms (as are all LHs), but I guess this one is set too high in the frame, and/or the camera is zoomed out too much?!?!? In either case, something should be done so you can't see the floor underneath Hitler's torso... this was not a problem with Elohim's Hitler (I even double-checked to make sure I wasn't seeing things).
2) Something is wrong with the arms... call it "football pads syndrome"... seems his arms are too low compared to his shoulders... like someone ripped his arms out of their sockets and they're sagging a bit out of his shoulder sockets. His shoulders are too high or his arms are too low. That's my take... once again, I compared it in-game with Elohim's Hitler to make sure I wasn't seeing things (and I checked default DeGaulle too), and I thought Elohim's Hitler shoulders/arms seemed more natural (as well as DeGaulle's). I have no idea how easy/hard this is to fix, but the arms definitely seem too low on the model compared to his shoulders.
3) The animations still don't seem right... at least not for Hitler... now this is purely personal opinion, not a mechanical fault with the model... so it's not so much a model problem, just my own thoughts... Elohim's Hitler seemed animated... well... like what you'd expect Hitler to be. If you were against him, used him yourself, or just viewed him in the "Select Leaderhead" screen, you'd get him scowling and putting his hands on his hips and looking disgusted... with this one, I'm getting a lot of hands in the shirt, half grins and pompously looking left and right... more like what I'd expect (and in fact do see) Napoleon do in-game. Is there a way you could just "steal/borrow" all of Elohim's Hitler animations for every pose? Is that possible? I think that might be best if that's possible. Once again, that's my 2-cent-take on animations, and it's certainly MY opinion, and I can't say Hitler would or wouldn't pose like that... but to me, it just felt like Elohim's animations were more appropriate, and the current set still seems to act too much like Napoleon with the hand in the shirt bit.
Having said all that...
This is still a fantastic LH... I like the overall look better then Elohim's... the uniform is certainly a big improvement... I think if you could fix the "floor under the torso" thing, and fix the arms a bit... those are must-haves... I know my thoughts on animation use is a personal one, but it'd be a bigger bonus if you could fix that too... if not, oh well, just fix the torso and arm issues and I'd be pleased as punch.
P.S.
Yes, he's still smiling at me, and it must stop!
GOBLES
Warlord
hey maybe he conquered Europe!
Yeah, I just realised that. I'll fix it in a sec.
That's the fault of Napoleon's model. Remember those little shoulder things he has? They fill the gap. If I try and move his torso, I think he'll end up looking like a giraffe.
Well, except for the greeting and his friendly animations, I thought I'd changed it so that he was always angry. Maybe I uploaded the wrong files.
Thanks, Wolfie. Next time I release a LH, I hope there'll be less criticism.
Okay, I've addressed those issues, and (finally) added KrugerPritz's cap. I've included his skin as an option, too. I'll update the screenshots at some point, but otherwise, that should be it. If anyone wants to improve the skin, please do
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Okay...Okay, I've addressed those issues, and (finally) added KrugerPritz's cap. I've included his skin as an option, too. I'll update the screenshots at some point, but otherwise, that should be it. If anyone wants to improve the skin, please do
I'd consider main-issues #1 and #2 concluded... the LH MODEL looks great! No complaints.
I'm still concerned about the animations.
He still has happy-go-lucky faces for friendly and pleased... go to the LEADER SELECTION screen and see what I mean... he gives you a big happy smile and keeps sticking his hand in his shirt like Napoleon... or select Hitler as your leader and see him in the opening screen... this hasn't been fixed yet in the download... now I was (on my end) able to fix the problem by copying-over the pleased and friendly animations with the annoyed/cautious animation... that fixed that problem, but should also be fixed in the main download.
The other problem I noticed was this... seems all he has is the ONE emotion/animation (other then happy Hitler).... the annoyed/cautious seems to be the only animation he has in the negative arena... one would think you could actually make Hitler MAD! The Furious animation is the same as annoyed/cautious. Can't you make Hitler mad and throw a rant?
Elohim had the arms on hips, general growl as the "normal" Hitler... I'm not sure if that was "Cautious" or "Annoyed" (or if there's even a difference between them)... but I would say that pose should be used for "Friendly, Pleased & Cautious". If there's an "angrier" pose then that one, use it for "Annoyed"... if that was "annoyed", then that's fine too... but surely there must be a "FURIOUS" animation that is worse then "Annoyed".
Are the default Napoleon animations useable with this Hitler, or did you have to modify the animations to work with this model? I'd really like to see a completely ticked-off Hitler.
Jerrymander
Epistemologist
that wasn't very nice...
Baaaaaaww.
Oh come on!
That's the greeting animation. If I change that, there will be no animation except for hands-on-hips. I can't change animations themselves.
So even if you're on his good side, you want him to scowl. Okay, I'm going to leave that me at my end.
Wolf, that is the furious animation. All the other animations, he just looks from side to side, or even stares at you.
No, you need Max to change anims. These are all default animations.
Look, I can only do so much, and I'm frankly tired of trying to fix everything according to your specifications
I've spent far too long on this one leaderhead already. So, I'm pleased with it, and I'm not going to edit it any more unless there is some terrible bug in it.
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Well, if that's the greeting animation, I've never noticed Hitler continually sticking his hand in his shirt like Napoleon always did and pompously jutting his head in the air like a stuck-up pig. Maybe you like Hitler doing his best Napoleon impersonation, but frankly, sticking his hand in his shirt and pretending to be Napoleon is a lot worse then Hitler scowling at you... obviously you and I have different opinions on typical Hitler mannerisms... I'd be okay with a less angry Hitler so long as he wasn't pretending to be Napoleon, which that animation you speak of just SCREAMS NAPOLEON... you and I are obviously on different pages on Hitler impersonating a hands-in-shirt, pompous chin in the air Napoleon-acting Hitler... Okay... leave him impersonating Napoleon, I can only voice my opinion.
Well that would probably explain what Elohim did then...
If the only kind of feedback you want is positive, everything is great, don't change a thingLook, I can only do so much, and I'm frankly tired of trying to fix everything according to your specifications
kind-of feedback, then you need to state-so in your first post.I apologize for actually trying to improve your LH by thinking that there might be animations better suited to Hitler's personality then doing blatant Napoleon impersonations.
Most of your feedback comes from people looking at a screen shot and going "looks good", I attempted to take the extra step of checking all aspects and providing feedback on something beyond a still-shot. I wasn't the only person who mentioned animations, and in fact the only people that mentioned animations kept saying they weren't happy with "happy" Hitler.
Whatever... the model is done... it's fine
I'll avoid providing feedback on models in the future... one feedback per model is all that is permitted... good-enough will do... who wants them as good as they can be anyways? Let him impersonate Napoleon with his hand in his shirt and smiling big... yeah, that's so Hitler.
Moving on...
Well, that's the same as what I did.
Look, the world doesn't revolve around you. I have better things to do than attempt to make this suit your needs perfectly. I've done my best, and I'm going to leave it as is. Now please, stop posting the same complaints repeatedly in this thread. If you're that bothered, ask Refar or somebody to create some cool new Hitler specific animations. I want to do something else now. Sorry if that's so terrible.If the only kind of feedback you want is positive, everything is great, don't change a thing
I apologize for actually trying to improve your LH by thinking that there might be animations better suited to Hitler's personality then doing blatant Napoleon impersonations.
Most of your feedback comes from people looking at a screen shot and going "looks good", I attempted to take the extra step of checking all aspects and providing feedback on something beyond a still-shot. I wasn't the only person who mentioned animations, and in fact the only people that mentioned animations kept saying they weren't happy with "happy" Hitler.
Whatever... the model is done... it's fine
I'll avoid providing feedback on models in the future... one feedback per model is all that is permitted... good-enough will do... who wants them as good as they can be anyways? Let him impersonate Napoleon with his hand in his shirt and smiling big... yeah, that's so Hitler.
In other news, I'm working on Vespasian
DWOLF
Death Before Dishonor
First of all, everybody be friends!
If the animations are the problem, you already fixed it on your end Wolfshanze...No need get so Picky. I can tell you miss dutchking don't you Wolf?
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
You either want feedback or you don't. This wasn't about the world revolving around me, if it was, I would have just fixed it FOR ME, and not bothered to tell anyone else about my findings/observations.
Some people appreciate getting feedback until the unit is as good as it can be... whether that's one feedback or multiple... it's clear NikNaks doesn't want feedback unless it's slap on the back stuff. I was trying to help make this model the best for all, and I got the usual "this is all about you" crap that I get everywhere... so fine... I'll STFU since you guys want nothing but happy-go-lucky slaps on the back and high-fives. The world doesn't revolve around me and you guys are fine with half-attempts at fixes. Quantity before quality... move on to the next project, I won't offer anymore feedback, because it's all about me, right?
Some people appreciate getting feedback until the unit is as good as it can be... whether that's one feedback or multiple... it's clear NikNaks doesn't want feedback unless it's slap on the back stuff. I was trying to help make this model the best for all, and I got the usual "this is all about you" crap that I get everywhere... so fine... I'll STFU since you guys want nothing but happy-go-lucky slaps on the back and high-fives. The world doesn't revolve around me and you guys are fine with half-attempts at fixes. Quantity before quality... move on to the next project, I won't offer anymore feedback, because it's all about me, right?
Yep, glad you agree.
Don't forget that it's always down to opinion, and in my opinion, I'm fine with "Napoleon impressions" as you call them. And if you keep getting the "this is all about you" crap, then I suggest you take a serious look at yourself and consider why you keep getting it from completely different people. And if you recall pages 1, 2 and 3 of this thread, I've taken a whole heap of criticism and I've dealt with it by improving the model. Now, I'm happy with it, and when I decide to comment on your latest opinions, you decide to get angry that I haven't changed it to suit your needs.Now, I'm really not going to reply to you again if you post something else like this, and I think I might report you to the mods if you post something like that again. I suggest you start doing something that's a better use of both our time.
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