Liberals Protesting Democracy

[civman110]

I think it is time to think like a lifeguard.

Middle America is drowning. They have refused every life preserver thrown their way, and expressed their hatred for the people of the coastal regions that generate the wealth of the nation. Now they are in reach, and their response is to grab the lifeguard and climb. Any trained lifeguard knows this is the response to be expected, but can be deadly.

The policies of these so-called lifeguards is what is impoverishing everyone and driving down their wages, while they smugly look down their noses on Middle-America and instead of acknowledging that they have done absolutely nothing except sit on a chair and collect a pay-check they concededly yell at the people out in the ocean drowning and tell them how they should be swimming. Well, this election America has decided to fire the trash and hire some new lifeguards.

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

Calexit is the most ridiculous idea ever. It will be as successful as the red states that threatened to leave the Union in 2012 after Obama won. Grow up and accept democratic elections or go to North Korea and live under a Marxist dictatorship you seem to love.

I tend to agree, but for slightly different reasons. California can't stand on its own, right now, regardless of how you want to doctor figures and hope for the tourism industry. It's just so bad of an idea, across the board, no sensible person would back it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Calexit is the most ridiculous idea ever. It will be as successful as the red states that threatened to leave the Union in 2012 after Obama won. Grow up and accept democratic elections or go to North Korea and live under a Marxist dictatorship you seem to love.

LOL...there is actually no comparison. The red states that threatened to leave don't have enough economic power to compete with the current third world. They would have collapsed into abject poverty overnight and everyone except their own idiotic activists knew it. Unfortunately, cooler heads insisted that they had to be protected from themselves, while I was in favor of letting them go.

Now I favor accepting that the nation is irrevocably divided, getting it over with and dividing it. Nothing Marxist or dictatorial about it. We just have two clearly defined ideas about government that cannot be effectively reconciled so we should part ways. The midsection of the country, where no wealth is created and much whining and crying is done, can have the government they elected, and the coasts, where the wealth is created and has been offered as something to be shared, but summarily rejected, can have the government we elected.

 

[civman110]

Calexit is the most ridiculous idea ever.

They're so far in debt it isn't even funny. I'd like to see them separate then desperately join Mexico when it all falls to pieces.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I tend to agree, but for slightly different reasons. California can't stand on its own, right now, regardless of how you want to doctor figures and hope for the tourism industry. It's just so bad of an idea, across the board, no sensible person would back it.

LOL...California has higher GDP per capita than most countries on the planet. We'd do fine without the anchor if we were willing to let it sink.

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

They're so far in debt it isn't even funny. I'd like to see them separate then desperately join Mexico when it all falls to pieces.

It would be like Greece, exactly. I think to "the letter", to the standard of living, every part of a Calexit would result in 07 to current Greece. It would be awful. Add rampant inflation to the hip hop gangland organized crime and places like Annaheim, Watts, would evole into something more like Somali warlord culture. Truly hellish. I can't even believe someone thinks that's a good idea.

 

[christos200]

LOL...there is actually no comparison. The red states that threatened to leave don't have enough economic power to compete with the current third world. They would have collapsed into abject poverty overnight and everyone except their own idiotic activists knew it. Unfortunately, cooler heads insisted that they had to be protected from themselves, while I was in favor of letting them go.

Now I favor accepting that the nation is irrevocably divided, getting it over with and dividing it. Nothing Marxist or dictatorial about it. We just have two clearly defined ideas about government that cannot be effectively reconciled so we should part ways. The midsection of the country, where no wealth is created and much whining and crying is done, can have the government they elected, and the coasts, where the wealth is created and has been offered as something to be shared, but summarily rejected, can have the government we elected.

Do not want to scare you but in all democracies different political parties have different ideas, mindsets and solutions to problems. That is democracy. Conservatives and liberals alternate.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

They're so far in debt it isn't even funny. I'd like to see them separate then desperately join Mexico when it all falls to pieces.

LOL...another fact for you to stumble over...state debt as percentage of SDP California ranks 33rd.

But of course facts aren't normally something you bother with, so I assume you don't care.

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

LOL...California has higher GDP per capita than most countries on the planet. We'd do fine without the anchor if we were willing to let it sink.

Yeh, it's a GDP based on a standard established by free trade with other states in a nation. On its own, borders close, export tariffs rise, Cali doesn't even have its own water today. You're not understanding some things, I think.

 

[Hygro]

I tend to agree, but for slightly different reasons. California can't stand on its own, right now, regardless of how you want to doctor figures and hope for the tourism industry. It's just so bad of an idea, across the board, no sensible person would back it.

Tourism? Not agriculture? Not tech? Not media? Not mutual funds? Not imports/exports? We're first of the first world and our growth rates have almost kept up with developing countries. We have the best labor force in the world, the most educated people, the most developed mass production agriculture, and the leading edge in energy and transportation companies.

They're so far in debt it isn't even funny. I'd like to see them separate then desperately join Mexico when it all falls to pieces.

Our bonds are so good they were treated like money back in 2009, and we don't even have a sovereign currency. Running our own budget would mean we could cut taxes significantly without having to raise revenue. Our situation would improve.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Do not want to scare you but in all democracies different political parties have different ideas, mindsets and solutions to problems. That is democracy. Conservatives and liberals alternate.

Except that isn't how our system works. The system as designed empowers the rural states (some would say backwards states) such that they have maintained a stranglehold on federal government for decades.

 

[civman110]

Yeh, it's a GDP based on a standard established by free trade with other states in a nation. On its own, borders close, export tariffs rise, Cali doesn't even have its own water today. You're not understanding some things, I think.

You better start shopping for a nice sombrero and a good poncho. Will you change the name to Mexico Minor, or Little Mexico?

Little Mexico has a nice ring to it I think.

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

Tourism? Not agriculture? Not tech? Not media? Not mutual funds? Not imports/exports? We're first of the first world and our growth rates have almost kept up with developing countries. We have the best labor force in the world, the most educated people, the most developed mass production agriculture, and the leading edge in energy and transportation companies.

But California has all those things because it's part of this larger system, this republic of other states that freely exchange. You need to realize that.

 

[civman110]

But California has all those things because it's part of this larger system, this republic of other states that freely exchange. You need to realize that.

Liberals are to arrogant and entitled to realise that they're only a cog in a larger system that they are dependent on.

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

I'd very much like to build a fort around my house and call it the sovereign country of apple dumpling head, but I'd be forgetting the reason I have the capacity to have land at all is because Canada wasn't allowed to roll in with their tricycles and radio flyer wagons to take me over 40 years ago. The fed did that, not me.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeh, it's a GDP based on a standard established by free trade with other states in a nation. On its own, borders close, export tariffs rise, Cali doesn't even have its own water today. You're not understanding some things, I think.

You are assuming a closed border...which MIGHT be death to both sides but would certainly be death to the states left in the Rural States of America. California could find other trading partners. What do the already undereducated and underemployed states have to offer?

By the way, it is highly unlikely that such a dissolution would be 'there goes one state, we stand on forty-nine.' Every major economic engine that the dead red irredeemables are choking the life out of would probably join the flight. West Coast Land, Greater New England...those can stand on their own. Rust bucket that has been sponging for decades left with no one to sponge on drowns in their own poverty.

 

[Archbob]

Cali actually has water from the Sierra Nevadas and Northern California owing to its diverse landscapes.
On an economic level States like California and New Yorks are net contributors while states like Texas and the deep southern states are big moochers off government funds.

 

[Hygro]

But California has all those things because it's part of this larger system, this republic of other states that freely exchange. You need to realize that.

Everything is part of the larger system. If the other states punish California for asserting sovereignty they only punish themselves. Guess who wins that battle, the state that can trade with Japan and China or the states that have nothing to export?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Cali actually has water from the Sierra Nevadas and Northern California owing to its diverse landscapes.
On an economic level States like California and New Yorks are net contributors while states like Texas and the deep southern states are big moochers off government funds.

Oregon and Washington would almost certainly leave with California, and they bring plenty of water.

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

Everything is part of the larger system. If the other states punish California for asserting sovereignty they only punish themselves. Guess who wins that battle, the state that can trade with Japan and China or the states that have nothing to export?

Our primary exports to Japan and China include coal and oil. California doesn't make a surplus of those. Semi-humor to the side, you're just illustrating how bad of an idea it is for everyone involved. Why propagate a bad idea?