LK101, Diety, World Map, Civ=TBD

[Gyathaar]

I just have to say.. I wish I had this good luck with leaders always.. out of 5 elite wins so far I have gotten 3 leaders!

 

[LKendter]

The only trouble is what can we do with them all?
We will soon hit the army limit even with being a world map game.

 

[Greebley]

I don't think we will hit the army limit. Not if we continue to grow.

 

[LKendter]

I don't think we will hit the army limit. Not if we continue to grow.

If nothing else we may run out of units to put in them! I was already having a hard time finding non-elite knights to put in the armies.

I just hope we get this like when a rail-net is in place and we have factories, iron works (yes, I am wishful), etc to rush. This is one way I like RaR better. There is almost always a nice small wonder to rush with a leader.

 

[Gyathaar]

Well.. I already hit army limit.. cant turn the 3rd leader into an army.. and I have 2 empty armies because i dont have enough units to put into them.. (4 unit armies didnt make it easier to find spare units..)

 

[LKendter]

Well the question then is what CAN the leader rush of value? I hate to sit on a leader waiting for 4 more cities.

 

[Gyathaar]

just need 2 more.. and I have a settler in place to build one of them next turn..

Most valuable to rush is prolly a bank down in the core.. so I will start to bring leader down there just in case I cant get 2 cities soon.

 

[M60A3TTS]

So what is the army count up to now?

 

[romeothemonk]

I like knight armies. I sense that we could be getting quite a few of them. If we can catch the Aztecs before Infantry with us with a full load of armies, they could be in some serious Doo-Doo.
I think we would want to set up a funnel of doom utilizing at least our sword armies in Central America.
It sounds like with all these armies, we should be able to run over the Venezualan Rabble quite quickly. (~20 more turns)

 

[Gyathaar]

I havent been able to make as much progress with venezuela as I had hoped.. mainly due to lack of units... lots of infascructure has been completed thou.. and our income is much healthier..
currently at 8 armies (I used the leader for a bank.. still dont have enough cities for 9 armies)

 

[LKendter]

and our income is much healthier..

Now there is a phrase I like to hear.
We aren't that many turns (possibilly your 10th) from another round of renegotiate peace with Greece to try and continue to move ahead with tech.

 

[Gyathaar]

I finished playing, just taking a bit to prepare the writeup.. but in short:
I got another army, and I picked up 7 more techs.

 

[Gyathaar]

950AD, turn 0:
Since we really dont know what tech will be the best to buy when we get our gpt back (atm democracy would be best to buy), I switch all our scientists but one to taxmen.. and in addition MM for extra gold by switching tiles where it dont matter for production times.
end up with +38gpt

trade WM around and get another 6 gold

looks like venezuela has 10 cities up in alaska/canada/greenland.. so razing venezuelan cities seems the best option.

IBT:
IBT is starting to take longer time I notice..

Tucuman: Pentagon -> Bank
San Luis: Market -> knight

Aztecs complete Smith's in their capital.. they city has a bunch of wonders now... smiths and Sun Tzu will still be useful

India starts US (they switched town I guess)
China starts US
Babylon starts US

960AD, turn 1:
I try to get familiar with what units we have at the front.. very few unist available to put into armies as 4th unit.

redline an MDI, kill it flawlessly with 5/5 sword.. and:

Martin makes an army.. since nothing else to build (I am not prepared to rush knights with leaders.. )

redline spear and MDI.

5/5 MDI wins flawlessly
3/5 MDi redlines.. win and:

another empty army

this leaves the redlined mdi exposed where a spear can attack it.. I load a 4/4 MDI into a 3 man MDI army, and send it to kill the spear

load 3/5 MDI* into a 3 man sword army

Australia has freed up more cash now it seems.. so I sell them Banking for Music theory, 61gold and 17gpt (they only had 5gpt last turn)

We now have enough cash to upgrade a horse to knight.. so I upgrade a 1/4 horse to knight

kill a 3/4 (only one cat in range hit) MDI with 5/5 knight.. no leader this time

load a 4/4 mdi into a 3 man sword army

not much more I can do this turn.. armies and units healing.. gpt up to 58gpt now

IBT:
Iroquois and Zulu ally vs Persia

Songhai wants to trade territory maps.. I change it to world maps

Cordoba: Cathedral -> knight
Viedma: knight -> knight

970AD, turn 2:
load 1/5 MDI* into 3 man sword army
load 4/4 knight into 3 knight army

IBT:

I spot a venezuelan knight

iroquois and songhai sign peace

Mendoza: knight -> knight
Goiania: court -> market

980AD, turn 3:
flawlessly kill a pike with 4/4 MDI by catamarca

kill a spear and a mdi with armies (they were blocking shortest path to Puerto Ayacucho

bombard a mdi.. and kill it with 5/5 knight.. and:

leader cant reach any city this turn

Upgrade a horse to a knight

IBT:
China and Egypt sign peace
Babylon and zulu sign peace

venezuelan knight attacks a city and retreats

Bahia Blanca: Knight -> knight
Avellaneda: musket -> musket

Aztecs start US

 

[Gyathaar]

990AD, turn 4:
Leader makes Army.. err.. no.. we hit limit and he cant make army.. I start to move him towards the core to rush a bank if I cant get more cities soon


kill 2 pikes in Ouerto Ayacu..something with knight army
kill 2 MDI that was blocking way with mdi/sword armies

redline a horse and kill it with a veteran knight
kill the redlined knight with 5/5 MDI (nothing else in range to kill with)

take a break for today...
Next day I take a good look at current and possible trades.. and notice we have 2 expores silk deals that is still running

we give silks to mongols for furs, and silks to babylon for 22gpt

Neither has any gpt to throw in... but mongols has 44 cities, so a lux should be more valuable to them than to us..

I check around.. zulus will give us a lux for silks and 11gpt.. this should be close to an even trade if I cancel the mongol deal first.

Cancel deals with both babylon and mongols.. babylon has 0gpt available

zulus have both wines and incense for trade.. somehow the incense costs 1gpt more then wines?!?

buy wines from zulu for silks and 3gpt

go back to mongols again and get furs for silks again

can now lower lux from 20% to 10%.. result.. gpt from 57 to 73.. and it looks like I can fire some specialists

it appears as if america has grabbed navigation.. and still dont have a good world map..
sell WM to america for their WM, 22got and 70gold (full value.. they still have more gold left)

saltpeter seems to be worth only 8gpt to america.. (they still have more gpt available).. so I decide to hold on it it incase better trade possibilities show up... several civs want it.. just no trade routes to them

I swap Mendoza to treb to finish next IBT with no shield loss so I can rush bank there next turn with leader

can fire a taxman in Jujuy, and we now make 96gpt

upgrade a horse to knight


IBT:
Australia and Egypt decides peace is better than war

egypt and aztecs sign peace

Mendoza: treb -> bank

1000AD, turn 5:
Add 2/5 knight* into 3 knight army

Found Tandil.. mainly to rause city count.. but it does push back venezuelan borders and is not that bad location
Set to temple

kill threatening mdi with knight army

kill 3 pikes in Puerto Ayacucho with armies, and raze the city for 2 gold and 7 slaves

kill an mdi with army

load 4 knights into an army

I use leader to rush Bank in Mendoza since there will be a couple turns till I get another city buildt

Upgrade another horse to knight

gpt up to 108 now.. and will be more next turn

IBT:

mdi dies to pike

Mendoza: bank -> knight
Horse town: harbor -> treb

1010AD, turn 6:
kill a pike that snuck into our lands using aztec roads/rails with knight army.. no other attack units was near.. and I didnt want it to pillage

only one horse left to upgrade, and I cant upgrade it this turn.. so instead I rush temple in Formosa

IBT:
songhai and egypt sign peace

Buenos Aires: bank -> knight
Cordoba: knight -> knight
Neuquen: court -> temple
Formosa: temple -> settler

1020AD, turn 7:
upgrade last horse and a sword*

bombard small stack of pikes and mdi.. lots of misses

move 3 settlers into position to settle

somehow france got a bit spare gold.. so I sell them Theology for 47gold and 16gpt

IBT:
Germany finally wants to talk.. they will give us New Berlin for peace.. they are behind in techs.. since I have no idea where new berlin is I hold off for now.. they are not any threat so

china and india ally vs zulus

trade embargo vs us between india and venezuela has ended..

something kills a brazilian archer next to our 2 tundra towns in canada

mdi dies to pike
our galley on south tip defendes against two venezuelan galleys that attacks it.. it promotes to elites.. did those galleys sail all the way down there just to attack our empty galley?

America and Songhai sign peace

Santa Fe: Cathedral -> knight
Tucuman: Bank -> court
La Plata: knight -> settler
Avellanda: musket -> musket

1030AD, turn 8:
redline spear and kill it with 5/5 knight.. no leader uzzle:

redline 3 pikes.. kill first with 4/4 mdi.. loose 3 hp and promotes to elite
kill 2nd with 4/4 knight

I settle Concordia, Reconquista and Santa Rosa

kill 2 knights outside San Cristobal
kill 1 pike in Curiapo

load 4 knights into the last empty army

yellowline with cats and then kill a mdi with a 5/5 mdi.. no leader

rush temples in Rio de Janeiro and Campinas

I start to look for where on the map New Berlin is.. but it is gone... someone must have razed it... guess I should have taken it for peace IBT

207 gpt is close to getting democracy from songhai (5 AIs has astronomy and gunpowerder, and lack democracy)

IBT:
Aztecs and Germany sign peace

kill mdi in defense and loose the southern galley

Rio: temple -> musket
Bariloche: cathedral -> market
Campinas: temple -> settler
Parana: knight -> knight
Resistencia: court -> market

 

[Gyathaar]

1040AD, turn 9:
kill 3 pikes in Maturin with a knight army.. raze the city and get 3 slaves and a cat

kill 1 pike in Curiapo.. and autoraze the town
kill mdi threatening town

redline pike and kill with 5/5 knight.. no leader
redline pike and mdi
knight kills the pike.. nopromotion..

promoted sword* kills the MDI.. and generate a 2nd leader!

leader makes army

kill a knight and a MDI with army

kill a pike in Coro
kill 2 pikes in San Cristobal

IBT:
India and Iroquois sign MPP (this will be nice for when we attack aztecs if we ally iroquois vs aztecs.. india will prolly ally rest of the world vs aztecs for us)

Brazil and zulus sign peace
Iroqous declare on zulu (MPP?)

Rosario: Cathedral -> knight

1050AD, turn 10:
kill pike in Coro.. raze the city.. get 3 slaves and 2 cats
kill 2 pikes in Ciudad Bolivar.. raze it, get 2 slaves and a cat

kill 2 mdi, 1 pike and a knight in the open (and capture a settler -> 2 slaves)

cancel the silk deal to songhai

silks and 279gpt to persia in peace deal for democracy (songhai would not do it for 306gpt and silks in normal deal)

get Chemistry, 25gold and 17gpt from egypt for democracy

mongols is the only ones that has metallurgy and lack democracy..
reneg peace with them.. give them democracy, WM, 372gold and 33gpt for metallurgy

give metallurgy to egypt for astronomy

give Metallurgy and democracy to Russia and get spices, WM, 33gold, a slave, physics and navigation

sell our WM to france for their WM, 84gold and 9gpt

WM and navigation gets us economics and WM from greece

sell WM around and gain another 45gold

Sadly I could not get MT, ToG or Magnetism, but I picked up 7 techs, 4 of them required ones.

I did wreck our economy untill we get gold back again for previous tech deal in 10 turns I think

You may need to change some builds to settlers so we can fill in the venezuelan lands before we raze more cities

We need 2 more cities to be able to build a 10th army

The Save

 

[romeothemonk]

Looks really good. Nice work.
When can we wipe out the remaining brazillian towns? They could be good captures.
I think this is really looking up now.

 

[Gyathaar]

the peace deal with brazil is over, and the RoP we have with them is over too.. only problem is they have a city next to our undefeded tundra towns, so I didnt delare on them since I wanted to keep city count up for more armies.

We may consider rushing the palace in the aztec capital when we finally capture it.. it has a whole heap of wonders.. GLib, Sun Tzu, smiths, shakespares, zeus (I think).. it prolly has a ton of tourism bonus.. and would have massive flip risk unless we can wipe out aztecs completely

 

[romeothemonk]

I am not LK, and would want his weigh in on this one, but I for one would consider rushing a spear in each tundra town, and then let them hold on their own, while we get the 2 towns in the heart of S.A. Even if this becomes a straight up trade, I think we are the better for it.
This would seem a much better idea to me.
Plus we could ally the Iro or the Aztecs with a large gpt trigger for tech against brazil as well.
I highly doubt Brazil could survive the heat.

 

[LKendter]

the peace deal with Brazil is over, and the RoP we have with them is over too. Only problem is they have a city next to our undefended tundra towns, so I didn't declare on them since I wanted to keep city count up for more armies

I would give those two towns to Germany for peace. As long as he enemies we have an easier time trading. We are probably paying a premium now in some of those peace renegotiations as we did it with the big boys.

We have an absurd number of armies at this point. I really don't care about getting another one. I will gladly give up 2 pieces of tundra garbage to get 2 more cities that are connected to our core empire. I would prefer to have all our cities on the mainland.

The front vs. Venezuela looks nice. The only worry I see on the map is settlers. I don't want openings where other AIs may plant a city. The number one is to make sure that WE get the city in Central America. That choke point may very well be the difference in winner the Aztec war.

Getting navigation was nice as we finally have stable trade routes. I notice that MapStat shows a lot of new trade routes. Now the question is when any of them will have value.

The tech picture looks a lot better even if we have to get a government we will never use. The challenge is starting to look like who will be available outside of the big boys to deal with soon. There is no way I want to feed the tech leaders.


Signed up:
LKendter
Gyathaar
Microbe (currently playing)
M60A3TTS (on deck)
Romeothemonk
Greebley


Remember 10 turns per round - STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to at complete.
5 to 10 turns starting with the industrial age. Once the game starts dragging 48 hours to at least report a status update.



EDIT: Cross post with Romeo. This was typed up BEFORE I saw his comments.

 

[Gyathaar]

once we pick up magnetism and ToG.. then we should be able to get a free IA tech by gifting germany into IA and give them all the optional techs for it.. hopefully they get steam

We can also gift greece and russia and trade 1st lvl techs with them at that point