LK140 - Trying emperor

[Jabah]

From the last screenshot, we should have liberalism next turn with (at least) 340g in the bank (except if some was already spend for upgrade)

 

[Refar]

Without looking at the save (can't ), so count it as half of a vote at best... but must to drop of my 2

Turning down research for a short while is ok once Liberalism is in (i think we are 1 Turn away ?) But...

Making gold to Upgrade to Muskets is not worth it.
The Muskets are baerly better than Medieval defence units, and even worse attackers for no CR line (Ok, we are not likely to attack cities anyway... Still... meh).

Also from what i see in Screenshot, Bull took mostly horse archers - we have good counter avaiable with Spears/Jumbos.

Lib -> Gunpoweder seems like a waste for the above reasons... (And because Gunpoweder is cheap) So between Gunpwdr/Astro my vote is on Astro.

 

[yena]

Had a proper look at the save and it doesn't look too bad, but if it was my turn I would queue up a few catapults at once. There are plenty of troops that could be upgraded (spears, archers, vultures), so I still think temporary turning of research after Lib->Astronomy is a good idea.

 

[LKendter]

Had a proper look at the save and it doesn't look too bad, but if it was my turn I would queue up a few catapults at once.

I haven't had the time to load the game and post the roster, but you ARE up. I don't understand the comment.

 

[yena]

Swiss Pauli wrote that he stopped for comments so I assumed that he meant to play out his last turns (now at turn 247, supposed to play to 250?). In case I was mistaken this is my got it post.

 

[LKendter]

@Swiss Pauli - are you done, or planning to play three more?

 

[LKendter]

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The big question is who is Asoka's target? I don't like him having enough on his hands. I am hoping it turns out to be Brennus.

I don't understand the windmills for Nibru. It has just enough food to get all the mines on-line. IMHO economy isn't our issue this game, but production.

It looks like Swiss Pauli and I are going to start the wealth debate again. I already don't like that we didn't even leave a token defender Zimbir. However, at turn 247 I really disagree with the wealth build. We can build a court is just 19 turns. I know we are hurting for upgrade cash, but I still want this city to build something useful.


The good news is our science rate, and how fast we got Oxford. I had just started 3 of the needed universities on my turn and didn't expect it this soon.
Outside of soldiers our demographics look good. I hope SB doesn't cost us to many.

I agree with stopping liberalism for a bit to raise some cash.
Have we conceded building Taj Mahal? I've seen a lot of talk about grabbing astronomy (most expensive) with liberalism. There is only a single overseas civ and not much in the way of islands. What are people hoping for with astronomy?


Roster
Signed up:

LKendter
Swiss Pauli
Yena (currently playing???)
Refar (skip to Feb 11)
Jabah (on deck)

Remember 15 peace (including phony wars) / 10 heavy war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: None

Planned wars - None

 

[yena]

To clarify: I will check if there are another save (or a message) from Swiss Pauli 10 hours from now (check my time stamp). If not, then I will play my turns with the latest posted save, unless LKendter says otherwise.

 

[Swiss Pauli]

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The big question is who is Asoka's target? I don't like him having enough on his hands. I am hoping it turns out to be Brennus.

It is: he was willing to DoW Bren before Bren declared on us.

I don't understand the windmills for Nibru. It has just enough food to get all the mines on-line. IMHO economy isn't our issue this game, but production.

The Whip: we weren't working the mines anyway, and the yield from Windmills (2-1-2) is better than coast.

It looks like Swiss Pauli and I are going to start the wealth debate again. I already don't like that we didn't even leave a token defender Zimbir. However, at turn 247 I really disagree with the wealth build. We can build a court is just 19 turns. I know we are hurting for upgrade cash, but I still want this city to build something useful.

It's building wealth whilst growing back from whipping it's forge. Once it grows the pop back, then line up and whip the Ziggurat.

Its defenders were removed and shipped to Ur; I can't see how that is a bad move.

I agree with stopping liberalism for a bit to raise some cash.

Don't do this: I had to sell Edu to Asoka to get Engineering, so he can start Lib at Emperor AI speed.

Have we conceded building Taj Mahal? I've seen a lot of talk about grabbing astronomy (most expensive) with liberalism. There is only a single overseas civ and not much in the way of islands. What are people hoping for with astronomy?

Astro for Observatories, possible colonies, and also the trade value. With only 8 cities and no marble, Taj does not deliver much value.

I'm up elsewhere, so I'm not going to continue, but please decide on the tech to grab with Liberalism before continuing.

 

[yena]

Since Swiss Pauli is busy I will take it from here. Everyone OK with Astronomy from Liberalism?

 

[Jabah]

Astro is fien by me.
Try to whip a galleon on the east coast soon to prevent any landing (find a blocking tile : 3N of Visaya.. something..). Note that if SB dosen't know optics, caraval might be enough (there should be enough to prevent him from sending galley, but he might attack our blockade with caravels).

Maybe same on the southern shore, but since we have troops around it is less a problem.

 

[LKendter]

Its building wealth whilst growing back from whipping its forge. Once it grows the pop back, then line up and whip the Ziggurat.

I checked, and with working the stone it can build the Ziggurat in just 19 turns. There is no reason to wait for the ability to whip.


I will marginally agree with astronomy to keep the game moving forward. If we didn't have the war, it would be a harder debate. However, at the moment we can't afford the capitol on a wonder. We need troops, troops, and more troops until SB stack is gone.

 

[Swiss Pauli]

I checked, and with working the stone it can build the Ziggurat in just 19 turns. There is no reason to wait for the ability to whip.

It'll grow to size 5 in 4 turns, and with the stored overflow I think it can then whip the Zig for two pop (and line up a unit behind to garrison if you like). Even if it has to grow to 6 pop it'll still be better to go wealth then whip.

 

[Refar]

Hmmm building wealth does not exactly has something to do with growing...

You can work the more food heavy tiles to regrow, and still build Ziggurat... (Which is a 3 pop whip untill at about ~30%)

 

[yena]

The 10 war turns went well, I destroyed 2 big stacks with small loses and SB is ready to discuss peace.

(247) upgrading spear->pike, queuing a few catapults
248: Liberalism in, I take Astronomy and set research for guilds (knights and banking/economy). Since we are at war I'm putting the research rate to 0 and leaving the civics as they are.
249: Upgrading another spearman to pikes, and a swordman to maceman.
250: The enemy arrive at the city gates.

I find an island that could support a fishing village.

251: I trade fish to Asoka for 2 gpp to keep him friendly. I use 2 cats to soften up the stack, and manage to kill them all losing only 1 vulture. Our first GG is used to create a healing unit.
252: I think we have enough troops for the time being, so I start building observatories in a few cities. Our first galleon sinks a trireme and destroys fishing nets outside Mound City. We get another GG which becomes an instructor in Uruk.
253: Another stack appears outside Ur.

254: The RNG is most unkind and I lot our Galleon to a trireme despite more than 90% odds , followed by two elephants and a maceman lost while destroying the new enemy stack. But, no more enemies in sight!
255: Guilds -> Banking, queuing up a knight in Uruk.
257: The workers run out of things to do after repairing the damages caused by SB, and I let them rest inside Uruk. SB is ready to discuss a peace deal, it is up to the next player to respond.

 

[LKendter]

How many troops came at us to already have 2 GG?

We get another GG which becomes an instructor in Uruk.

IIRC Uruk is our capitol. How did you pick this spot?
Uruk has a lot of income, and will get more since we built Oxford there. I expect all of Uruk's forest to go away in favor of cottages to maximize the value of Oxford.

I would have preferred the GG to the future home of Heroic Epic. The only issue there is I can't recall any heavy shield, low income city to build this in. I will state that I would strongly veto HE in Uruk.

 

[yena]

How many troops came at us to already have 2 GG?

Well, I killed lots of troops. Took quite some time to play each turn.

IIRC Uruk is our capitol. How did you pick this spot?

I looked mainly at the short-term advantage, which perhaps is a mistake. Uruk is by far the best production city and will be building troops when not busy with wonder production, but I agree that HE shouldn't go there. However, when looking for a home for the GG I couldn't see any obvious military city candidate.

 

[Swiss Pauli]

Yeah, maybe the Instructor in Uruk was sub-optimal, but other than that the set went well. And if we get attacked again, Uruk will be back on military anyway as it's our best city in every way.

I think Nibru would be the best of a bad bunch for HE, though it'll take a long time to build.

 

[LKendter]

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Since nobody else is fighting SB I would take the peace deal. Since he isn't a direct neighbor we won't pick up any cities, so that war has no benefit.

I would like to get back to primary builders mode with some spare units. I still want all the Christian buildings for the spare hammers.


Roster
Signed up:

LKendter (on deck)
Swiss Pauli
Yena
Refar (skip to Feb 11)
Jabah (currently playing)

Remember 15 peace (including phony wars) / 10 heavy war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: None

Planned wars - None

 

[Jabah]

I have it, and should be able to play tonight.

Peace is fine, we are not in position to gain much more than what is offered (SB as no tech, and we don't want any of his city if we are still at war with Brennus.

I think we should go for the island(s) need to have a proper look att he save.

Jabah